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Posted by jtilley on Sunday, April 10, 2005 1:58 PM
I'm "replying" to this topic in order to get it moved to page 1. The subject has come up in another forum.

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Posted by stinger on Wednesday, February 9, 2005 1:39 PM
jtilley - Thanks for the formula.

Quesneys case proportions are surprisingly close to the GR. If one used the 28" dimension as a baseline (and rounding up to 1.62), the size would be 45.36 (45-3/8") x 28 x 17.28 (17-14"). Or, even better maybe, using 40" as a baseline yeilds 40 x 24.69 (24-11/16) x 15.24 (15-1/4). Depends on which is the more critical dimension.

Your suggestions to him regarding Rockler and a HS shop are great ideas. Our local Rockler store also gives classes and has a full workshop available, so it's possible he could take his case plans to them and learn how to use the tools, too.

Anyway, a bit off topic at times, but an interesting discussion (at least to me. Smile [:)])


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Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, February 9, 2005 12:53 PM
Quesney - That's a big case. You're going to have a hard time making it without a table saw - though the Dremel plunge router is perfectly up to the task of ornamenting the edges. Do you have a friend with a table saw who might be able and willing to help? Another possibility might be the local high school's or community college's woodworking shop.

If you haven't already done so, you might check the website of the Rockler woodworker's supply company (www.rockler.com). Rockler sells some nice router bits with 1/8" shanks, which will fit the Dremel chuck.

Stinger - The height/length ratio of the "golden rectangle" is 1/1.61803398875....
But there's an easy way to construct it with a compass and a ruler. Draw a square and bisect the bottom of it. Put one point of the compass on the bisection point and the other on the top right corner of the square. Strike an arc downward and to the right. The point where that arc intersects the extended base of the square markes the length of the "golden rectangle."

I found a good, illustrated discussion of this with a web search, which sent me to www.jimloy.com/geometry/golden.htm Apparently Mr. Loy is a math professor.

That shape has been utilized by architects and furniture designers for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. The ratio supposedly was discovered by Pythagoras. It's been defined as "the most pleasing of all rectangles - not too thick, not too thin, but just right." The ratio is also close to that of the successive numbers in the notorious Fibonacci sequence (1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34...), wherein each number is the sum of the two preceding ones. And you're right: it's the same formula that defines the "golden spiral," which shows up not only in classical design but in a surprising number of natural structures. I think the Shakers may have used a modification of the same formula to determine the heights of drawers in their dressers. (In a Shaker dresser the bottom drawer is much deeper than the top one, and all those in between are progressively deeper. Once you've seen a dresser like that, one with five or six identical drawers looks clumsy.)

What does all this have to do with ship models? Well, probably not much. But it seems to me that the proportions of the "golden rectangle" are remarkably close to those of a full-rigged nineteenth-century ship. Maybe that's why so many people find such vessels so attractive. If one could work the "golden rectangle" into the design of a display case, that would be a step toward creating a really nice-looking piece of furniture.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 9, 2005 7:31 AM
Thanks for the input on the case. The only power tool I have that would be of any use in building a case is a Dremel Plunge Router attachment for my Dremel tool. It works like a charm. I could use it to make the groves in the posts to accept the plexiglass.

The case is going to be big ( 40" X 28" X 15") so I don't think the wood would distract the eye from the model. The top of the case is the thing that I can't figure out how to make with easily avaliable stock wood (some sort of trim ).

I have looked at some photos of case kits and I think I can build one myself with what hand tools I have.

Also the idea of inserting the model from the end never occured to me. That may solve some problems.

Years ago I built the Revell Cutty Sark and bought one of the case kits which was lovely but I had to lower the case over the model which was enough to give one a stroke.

So that's where things stand at this time.

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Posted by stinger on Tuesday, February 8, 2005 10:23 PM
Good thoughts again.

By the golden rectangle, I assume you are talking about the golden spiral, which occurs in nature in the form of nautilus shells and sunflower patterns?

I used to know the formula for that (which, I believe contains an irrational number, like pi), and I know that it can be roughly described by increasingly larger rectangles turned at right angles. Do you have a reference for the GR?

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Posted by jtilley on Tuesday, February 8, 2005 10:16 PM
Back in the Goode Olde Days, Model Shipways used to make case kits to customer specs. You sent in your money and, a couple of weeks later, got a big box in the mail containing solid, unfinished mahogany components. I bought one for my Soleil Royal, which I built from the Heller kit. It was about three and a half feet long and about two and a half feet high; the price, if I remember correctly, was about $60.00. (This was in about 1975.)

The case consisted of a solid baseboard with uprights and a pre-assembled top frame. The latter had mitered corners and brass fittings to receive brass flat-headed bolts, which screwed into brass inserts that were supplied in the tops of the uprights. The glass top panel dropped into rabbets in the frame, and was retained by mahogany strips. The workmanship and materials were excellent. The purchaser had to finish the wood, supply the glass, and put the whole thing together.

I've seen ads for case kits in several magazines and catalogs. I imagine some of them are pretty good, but I don't have experience with any of them. I have the impression, though, that all of them are based on vitrines that are lowered over the contents. Ugh.

I agree that there ought to be a market for good case kits - of the ship-goes-in-the-end type. The typical ship modeler may or may not be interested in full-size woodworking. The sort of workshop that produces first-rate models isn't so likely to include a table say and a router - both of which are extremely useful in case making. Besides, once a modeler gets done with a sailing ship model (which probably has consumed months or years of work), he or she is likely to be pretty sick of it. There's a common tendency to rush through the case making process, simply to get it out of the way and get on to the next model. A good case kit would go a long way toward solving all those problems.

I have floating around in the back of my mind a magazine article about aspects of displaying ship models - cases, lighting, and so forth. It's occurred to me, for instance, that the famous "golden rectangle" that plays such a large part in traditional furniture making may have application in ship model display. (The proportions of a typical full-rigged sailing ship are remarkably close to those of the "golden rectangle.") I want to build at least one more case, though, before I commit to going into print. The last one has some kinks that need to be worked out.

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Posted by stinger on Tuesday, February 8, 2005 2:49 PM
jtilley -That's a great story about your club meeting and a fantastic idea on the end panel for keeping out those touchy feely kind of people. Evil [}:)]

As for your experience, you sound like you know quite well what you're talking about. The description you gave dropped right into my brain as though it was a set of plans.

Ever since I made that one case for my customer, I had thought there might be a market for a ready to assemble case/kit. It could come prefinished with easy to assemble fittings. All one would have to do is purchase the glass. Now you got me thinking again.........Wink [;)]

Maybe between the two of us we can help out Quesney

Thanks again or your input. I'm making my notes right now.

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Posted by jtilley on Tuesday, February 8, 2005 2:18 PM
Stinger - I agree with you on all points. The problem of the wood (or metal) corners can also be dealt with by varying the size of the case. The more empty space there is around the model, the less obtrusive the corner moldings will be. But size, of course, can be a problem in practical terms.

Early in the process one needs to decide what one is making: a utilitarian transparent box to protect the model, or an attractive piece of furniture. If the former, try to avoid corner moldings. If the latter, have fun making them as handsome as possible. A case actually can be an extremely attractive addition to a room. My wife says so.

Hingeing the end would be a good, workable idea. On the ship-comes-out-the-end case I built, the plexiglas end piece is fastened permanently to the end piece of the bottom frame. The plexiglas is 1/8" thick, and slides into a close-fitting dado in the side and top pieces; the removable bottom piece has a couple of 1/8" thick splines on the ends that slide into the lower ends of the same dadoes. The result is that, when the case is assembled, there's no visible difference between the ends. I took it to a meeting of our ship model club and invited the members (with the case sitting on a table) to try and figure out how it opened. Nobody could. From the standpoint of security that's an advantage - especially if the model is to be displayed in public.

The other crucial part of that design is to ensure that the case is structurally rigid when the model and baseboard are removed from it. (If they aren't it's likely to twist, with all sorts of awful consequences.) On mine the baseboard to which the model is mounted has nothing to do with the structural integrity of the case. It slides into a groove above the real bottom of the case, that piece being made of 1/2" birch plywood. The case is just as stable with or without the model inside.

I'm not much of a woodworker, but I find case making a nice relief from model building. I agree completely, though, that from the standpoint of time, money, and frustration a modeler with a limited workshop might be better advised to farm out the job of case making to a cabinet shop. Glass, plexiglas, hardwood, and finishing materials all cost money. The difference between the cost of the materials and the cost to have somebody else build the case can get eaten up pretty quickly if you screw up a big sheet of plexiglas, or wreck a big piece of hardwood. I speak from experience.

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Posted by stinger on Tuesday, February 8, 2005 1:44 PM
jtilley - That is some very good insight and your main points are all valid, especially about having a removable top. The one and only case I made required placing the model into the case from above, although already mounted on a sub-base. The most frightening part though was placing that last piece of glass from above. I agree it is a stupid design. I love your idea of insertion/removal from the end, and it would be fairly easy to make one end hinged (at least to me). Don't get me wrong, I'm not bragging here, it's just that cabinetry has been my trade for 30 years now. From my perspective, the most difficult thing to design is a case that can be easily made by someone with minimal tools and experience.

As for having wood corners, I agree that they detract from all possible viewing angles, but if the model is large enough, the case itself becomes less of a focal point. That is why I asked Quesney what size case he needed.

In my opinion, if one does not have the tools required, it is worthwhile to have a case made by a cabinet or furniture shop, taking into consideration your advice and suggestions. The time spent on building the model has an immeasurable value, so a couple hundred dollars for a good case is money well spent.

On the other hand, if a person has a few tools (or a friend with some), a nice case can be made by any modeler who can complete a ship.


stinger

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Posted by jtilley on Tuesday, February 8, 2005 1:11 PM
I don't know of any really good sources for display case plans. (P.S. When I originally typed this I didn't know Stinger was typing a response at the same time. I'm sure his drawings are excellent.) I do have some opinions on the subject; if the membership will forgive me, I'll take this opportunity to air some of them.

There are essentially two materials for making the transparent parts of a display case: glass and plexiglas (more properly "clear acrylic"; plexiglas is actually a trade name, but it's in almost universal use.) Each has its advantages and disadvantages.

Advantages of glass: it's cheaper, it's rigid, it's hard to scratch, and it doesn't offer the problems of electrolysis that plexiglas does. (See below.) Disadvantages of glass: it breaks easily, is difficult to cut to precise dimensions (unless you have considerable practice and skill with a glass cutter), and making the joints at the corners of a glass case really requires some sort of metal or wood structure. (There are adhesives, such as aquarium sealant, that work on glass, but a case made that way looks pretty ugly.) For the latter reason, modern museum exhibition designers don't like glass cases. Those people contend that the corner moldings block the sight lines of the observer, and turn the case into a piece of furniture that attracts more attention than what's inside it.

Advantages of plexiglas: it's more durable (to bust a piece of plexiglas takes real determination), normal mortals can cut it (either with a table saw or via the scratch-and-snap method), and it can be glued at the edges. Disadvantages of plexiglas: it's expensive, it sags (a potential problem in the top of a big case), and it triggers electric reactions inside the case. I'm not enough of a physicist to explain the latter, but it can be really problematic - especially if the model has any lead in it. That problem gets worse if direct sunlight comes through the plexiglas. (Letting sunlight fall regularly on a model is a bad idea under any circumstances, though.) Plexiglas also seems harder to keep clean, and it scratches easily. (By the way - in cleaning plexiglas never use Windex, or anything else with ammonia in it. Ammonia is a solvent for plexiglas; use it often enough and the plexiglas will start turning grey and blurry. Clean plexiglas with diluted mild dishwashing detergent, like Palmolive or Ivory.)

Take your pick of materials. The last case I built has plexiglas panels in a wood frame. I don't care for the appearance of glued joints in plexiglas; they're fairly easy to make, but they look kind of amateurish. The big museums pay through the nose for fancy methods of bonding plexiglas so the corners are nice and shiny, but those are beyond the means of most of us.

I've seen quite a few case designs in print, and frankly I don't like any of them. Most of them require that the vitrine (the transparent part of the case) be lifted over the model and set down on its base. (I recently bought a book about showcase construction; it included plans for building a ship model case with a removable TOP. That strikes me as even dumber. Apparently you're supposed to dangle the model by its mastheads to get it in.) Especially in the case of a big model, a vitrine that lifts off the base is an invitation to disaster.

I've been building ship models for 48 years, and I spent three years as a curator in a maritime museum. Almost every incident I've heard of in which a ship model has gotten wrecked or damaged, either in a museum or in private hands, has involved taking the model out of a case or putting it back in. Somebody got a little careless, or nervous, and banged the vitrine into some protruding part ot the model.

The most ridiculous exhibit case I've ever seen is in the "Great Hall of Steamships" at the Mariners' Museum, my former employer. A 15-foot-long model of the liner President Hoover sits in a case with a steel-framed glass vitrine. The vitrine weighs about half a ton. To open the case requires two custom-made steel straps (which are held to the bottom of the vitrine with bolts), two chain hoists hooked to the beams of the ceiling, and three people - two on ladders working the chain hoists and a third giving instructions. The one time we opened it during my time there, the director of the museum happened to walk in while the vitrine was on its way back down. The spectacle practically gave him a heart attack; he had to leave the room for the sake of his health.

The best way to make a case, to my notion, is to design it in such a way that the model comes out one end. Several other cases at the MM work that way. They make it possible for one person (though in the case of a 15-foot model he'll probably need a helper) to take the model out. (One of those cases with removable ends did have a problem: even after lengthy inspection we couldn't figure out the model was supposed to come out. I vividly remember the day I had to fix a busted rigging line on it - lying on my belly on top of a step ladder, with an assistant holding my ankles lest my center of gravity shift and I land spreadeagled on top of the model.)

I built my last case with a removable end. To open it, you set it on a table with one end overhanging the edge. Twist two latches on the bottom and the end slides downward. Then move the case to the center of the table and slide the model, complete with baseboard, out. No busted masts, no frazzled nerves, no cuss words. Figuring out how to make it took some time, but the actual construction process actually wasn't hard. The only major tools it required were a table saw (to cut both the wood parts and the plexiglas) and a small router (optional, to make decorative edges). I used cherry, which I think is a beautiful, workable wood for the purpose. Mahogany and walnut are nice too, but my first choice is cherry.

If you do decide to make the framework out of wood, try to avoid miter joints. The population of this planet is divided into two groups: those who find it easy to make miter joints and those who don't. The latter are in the majority, which includes me. Even if you're good at miter joints, though, they're among the weakest joints in woodworking because they rely on end grain (unless they're splined or otherwise reinforced - difficult on small pieces). On my last case I managed to get by with only four splined miter joints. They're in the framework of the top, and the pieces that make them up are glued permanently to the sides and ends, so the miters aren't under any stress. The case I built before that one has miter joints all around the base, and they're falling apart. One of these days I'll replace that one with a no-miter, ship-comes-out-the-end version.

One other point. Give some thought to where and how the model will be displayed. Ask yourself whether all four sides and the top really need to be transparent. In many household situations the back of the case will be against a wall. If so, consider making the back out of wood, and painting or otherwise finishing it in such a way that the color makes a nice contrast with all parts of the model. The rigging of a sailing ship probably will have both light- and dark-colored thread in it. The model will be much more impressive if both stand out against the background.

Another consideration is height. If the model is to be displayed in a house you may not have much control over that, but if you do it's worth thinking about. To my notion the ideal way to display a sailing ship model is with the deck a little below eye level. That causes the observer to look down at the deck and the hull, and up at the rigging.

Those are some personal thoughts. Hope they're of some use. A case is worth a good deal of time, effort, and thought. A lousy case can wreck the impression made by a good model, and a good case can make a mediocre model look good.

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Posted by stinger on Tuesday, February 8, 2005 12:59 PM
Do you want to make it from scratch?

If you have any woodworking skills and tools (a table saw and a router for example) I can draw you up a plan from one I made for a customer back in the days when I had my cabinet shop.

BTW, what dimensions are you looking at?


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Display Case
Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 8, 2005 11:25 AM
Anyone know where I can get plans for making a nice display case for my Heller Victory model soon to be completed.
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