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Gleaves class kits
Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 14, 2005 11:22 AM
My dad's a big fan of The Caine Mutiny and I'd like to build the DMS 22 minesweeper featured in the book for him. So far the only kits I can find are of the Fletcher class destroyers. Are there any kits of the Gleaves class? I've thought about just doing a conversion of the Tamiya Fletcher kit but it seems like that would be amazingly complicated.

Here's what I'm looking for:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/05/457.htm
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Posted by martinjquinn on Monday, March 14, 2005 11:51 AM
Yankee Model works (www.yankeemodelworks.com) makes several different Benson/Gleaves class ships.



Commanders Series (www.commandersseries.com) used to make one, but I don't see it on their website.

I have the YMW Aaron Ward and Farenholt in my stash - they are very well done. You can order YMW kits direct, or from other online places like Pacific Front Hobbies or Trident Hobbies.



Martin
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Posted by John @ WEM on Monday, March 14, 2005 12:21 PM
Just keep in mind that the CAINE was a Gleaves-class only in the movie. In the original novel, she was a converted 4-stack destroyer DMS. So you'll have to decide whether you're going to be faithful to Wouk's original creation, or to Hollywood's interpretation....

Cheers,
John Snyder
White Ensign Models
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 14, 2005 1:12 PM
Thanks for the info and the links, guys.

Good point about the difference between the ships in the movie and the book. It's been a while since I read the book. Guess I'll have to dive back into it.
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Posted by jtilley on Monday, March 14, 2005 1:23 PM
The Gleaves class was a variant of the Benson/Livermore class, I believe. Skywave makes some nice 1/700 kits of vessels in that class.

John's right, though: the "actual" Caine (i.e., the one in the novel) was an old four-stack destroyer - heavily modified. That's one of several discrepancies between the book and the movie.

This is, as it happens, a subject with which I'm familiar. I assign the novel in one of my courses every year, and students sometimes (not often; I warn them) try to get out of doing the assignment by renting the movie. It's a pretty good flick in many ways, but in my opinion a pale shadow of the book. One other major discrpancy: Bogart was ludicrously old for the part of Commander Queeg. The character in the book graduated from Annapolis in 1937, so he was about 28 years old at the time of the "mutiny."

Some time back I encountered an interesting article about the book in the Naval Institute Proceedings. The author of that article (I can't recall the issue) noted that Herman Wouk had served on board the U.S.S. Zane (DMS 14), which, like the fictitious Caine, was an old four-stacker with one stack removed. That ship would be a good place to seek inspiration for a model. There are several photos of her at the Navsource site.

So far as I know there have been two plastic four-stack destroyer kits, both of them now quite old: the Airfix one on 1/600 scale (issued as H.M.S. Campbeltown) and the classic Revell one on 1/240 scale. According to the bible on the subject, Thomas Grahan's Remembering Revell Model Kits, it was originally issued in 1960 as the U.S.S. Buchannan, then reissued under the name U.S.S. Aaron Ward (in 1962) and twice as H.M.S. Campbeltown (in 1972 and 1979). The Airfix kit is mighty basic, but could be made into a nice model with some work. The Revell one is, for its age, pretty good. It does suffer from one awful blunder in terms of accuracy: somebody put in a great deal of effort indicating wood planks on the main deck. (Those ships had steel decks.)

I'm sure there's at least one four-stacker kit in resin. And if you're really ambitious, there's the Bluejacket wood kit in 1/192 scale.

Hope this helps a little. Good luck.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 14, 2005 1:45 PM
I had seen the movie before I read the book. Knowing about Willie's piano playing and Keefer's command adds so much more depth to their characters. I'll always love the movie but the book is even better.

Thanks for the comprehensive advice, jtilley. I'll start with Wouk's DMS.
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Posted by millard on Monday, March 14, 2005 9:30 PM
Jtilley is correct the Skywave kit is a good kit . I used it to make a model of the Benson Class DD625 USS Harding.It was the ship my uncle was on in WWII.I gave him the model last year.He said it was real close to the actual ship perhaps the bridge was a little squarer.But the kit went together well.
Rod
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