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Paint or Stain for wooden ships?

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Paint or Stain for wooden ships?
Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:12 PM
Hi
I am assembling my first wooden ship, the Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways. I am curious when does everyone start painting/staining and what is your preference?
I am starting to add the deck details such as companionway, pumps, and fittings. I figure I have to decide what to do soon otherwise if i stain the deck it may get on all the items, I want to stay walnut... or paint...
Thanks for your opinions.

Shawn
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    May 2003
  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:56 PM
Sailing ship modeling is a litte different from most other facets of the hobby, in that there are several widely-accepted approaches to it. Some ship modelers follow the same basic principles that airplane, armor, and railroad modelers usually do: they attempt to reproduce the prototype as accurately as possible in all aspects, including finish. A modeler of that pursuasion will paint everything that was painted on the real ship, and make the model look as authentic as he/she can.

Another approach compromises with literal authenticity a bit for the sake of aesthetics. Some ship modelers like to let the colors and textures of the wood speak without hindrance, and shun paint. Such models aren't literally accurate, but when well executed can be really beautiful. It's a matter of taste.

One of my predecessors at the maritime museum where I used to work claimed that Type A was the only legitimate way to build a ship model. He claimed Type B models had no place in a museum because they weren't accurate representations of the real thing. I disagree. To me, that argument makes about as much sense as asserting that all photographs should be taken in color, because black-and-white pictures aren't realistic.

I haven't built the MS kit you're working on, but that firm's products tend to be aimed primarily at Type A modelers. I assume most of the parts are basswood - a good, reliable modeling material, but not the best-looking wood for staining. For what little it's worth, if I were building that particular model I'd probably paint those parts that were painted on the prototype, and stain the deck planks to make them look like the original bare wood. Olympic makes a stain color called "Driftwood" that, to my eye, is about right. (I'd also suggest - though the instructions may cover this - running a soft pencil around each of the deck planks. The resulting fine, dark grey lines are a good representation of deck caulking.)

One more tip. Your concern about splashing paint (and other stuff) on the deck is entirely justified. My suggestion is to get a can of white shellac (make sure it's fresh; shellac goes bad if it sits in the can too long), dilute it almost beyond recognition with denatured alcohol, and apply a coat of it to the deck. It will be almost invisible, but will protect the deck from accidents.

The bottom line is that it's all up to the individual modeler. Good luck. It's a great hobby.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 21, 2005 1:06 PM
I suspect that your question might be "at what stage in the building process should I begin painting (or staining) the vessel?" and if that's correct, you can usually rely on the instructions, but the best and most reliable guide is experience. The hull can be treated rather early in the process but coatings on any part (hull, deck, spars, etc.) may resist bonding with some adhesives. Mr. Tilley is surely guiding you well with the shellac suggestion. The best advice I can offer is to read through the instructions COMPLETELY and think through the building process. Make notes in the margins to yourself and you may be able to determine at what point a part can be finished (with paint or stain) by seeing that no further attachments will be appended to that part (some parts may be finished before attachment). This seems common sense and if it is, I apologize for being redundant, but the most useful advice here is to read through the plan thoroughly and visualize the building processstep by step. Obviously, the clearer the part is of extra stuff (furniture) the easier it will be to paint. By no means should you try to complete the vessel before applying a finish.
Best,
Ron
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Posted by scottrc on Monday, March 21, 2005 1:42 PM
This is one advantage that wooden ships have over plastic. You do not have to paint around a bunch of pre-moulded features. Like what the two above said, you want to paint in stages such as the full hull, deck, and masts before fittings.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:28 PM
Shawn, I have built a few wood models in differeent versions, painted and stained. It all depends on your prefernce. As JTILLEY says I also like to bring out the beauty of wood by staining. If you want you could replace the basswood for other type of woods, Model Shipways offers these woods in different size. If you ever have a chance look at the best maritime museums and you will see that the models are stain finished or a subtle combination of both.
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