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    November 2005
1/700th aircraft and helo's
Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:03 PM
This might be included in an already existing topic, but I think it is important enough to have one on it's own.

Last week I got two Amphibious ships, the Wasp class LHD-4 USS Boxer from Revell/Monogram, and the LST-4002 Shimokite from Tamiya. Both ships are in 1/700th scale, and both come with various helo's.
This is my problem. As I also design my own ships, I thought that having a few built models of 1/700th or 1/350th helo's would be helpful in determining the size of the flightdeck and elevators. Well... It doesn't....
The CH-53's and the V-22's coming with the USS Boxer are so out of scale that they shouldn't be called 1/700th in the first place.
I checked with various sites, and the CH-53 has a rotor diameter of about 30 meters. This would calculate to 43 mm in 1/700th, right? Wrong!! The rotor onf the Revell model is only about 30 mm in diameter!! This would calculate to about 21 meter in real life....
Now, okay, I understand that it might be difficult to model helo's and aircraft in such a small scale, but other manufacturers such as Tamiya have no problem with this....
I know that JAG Collective has very good looking V-22's, SH-60's and Boeing JSF's included with it's kit of a future Stealth aircraft carrier. When you see a built model of one, you can hardly believe that it's only in 1/700th scale...
I'll contact them to ask if they'll also plan on sell these planes seperately from the ship. I think many modelers would applaud this!!!
I also hope for Tamiya to produce the LCAC's included with the LST seperately. This would make for very interesting options for diorama's!!Cool [8D]Cool [8D]

BTW, one big problem with the USS Boxer is the lack of LCAC's.... For a ship that was especially designed to accommodate the new Hovercrafts, this is a very serious downer. Sure, there are small boats to ferry marines to shore, but where are the LCAC's??? A real shame, Revell....
BTW, the LCAC's included with the LST-4002 look fantastic!!!

Remko
  • Member since
    June 2003
  • From: Philadelphia, PA
Posted by garys on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 4:23 PM
I'm no expert on this kit or these helos but do want to build the Wasp someday. According to my sources CH-53 rotor diameter is 79 feet which works out to be 34.4mm in 1/700 scale, not 43mm. Length however, should be 43mm. HTH
Gary
  • Member since
    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:57 AM
You're correct, Gary... After I have posted this I checked some more references. Actually, the biggest H-53 variant has a rotordiamter of 24,08 meters (79ft).
However, the rotor diamter of Revell's model is 32 mm, which converts to 22,4 meters on the real machine. Total lenght of the tiny model is 37 mm. Which will be about 25,9 meters in real life..... So, I was wrong about the rotor diamter (sorryBlush [:I]), but the length is still way off...

Could anybody tell me something about other small scale CH-53 helo's? For example, are there any included with Dragon's Tarawa class? And are there other manufacturers that produce the Wasp class in 1/700th scale?

Remko
  • Member since
    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 6:43 AM
Sorry for this rambling, but I just can't stand this....Angry [:(!]Angry [:(!]

I think I know what kind of misstake Revell made on the V-22's. They took the wrong craft. Instead of modelling the V-22, they did the XV-15.... This or the Revell variant is in scale 1/1050th....
Dimensions: V-22
Length: 17,47 meters => 2,5 cm in 1/700th
Span (rotors turning): 25,78 meters => 3,7 cm in 1/700th
Height (nacelles up): 6,73 meters => 0,95 cm in 1/700th
Rotor diameter: 11,60 meters => 1,65 cm in 1/700th

Dimensions XV-15:
Length: 12,8 meters => 1,8 cm in 1/700th
Span (rotors turning): 17,4 meters => 2,5 cm in 1/700th
Height (Nacelles up): 3,9 meters => 0,6 cm in 1/700th
Rotor diameter: 7,60 meters => 1,1 cm in 1/700th

Dimensions Revell 1/700th "V-22"
Length: 1,8 cm
Span (rotors turning): 2,6 cm
Height (Nacelles up): 0,7 cm
Rotor diameter: 1,1 cm

So, there you go. Without knowing it, everybody who owns a Revell/Monogram Wasp class LHD also has three Bell XV-15 tiltrotors....
Know, I don't really mind this, the XV-15 is a cool plane, but don't advertise it as a V-22 Osprey. Besides, the XV-15 has only been used for landing tests on Naval ships. It was a testbed, not an active replacement aircraft....

Oh well... Soon I'll have the JAG Collective Stealth Aircraft Carrier. This one does have some V-22's in scale 1/700th.

Remko
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