Model Kit for German Aircraft Carrier...

There is a book with plenty info. on the Graf Zeppelin by Siegfried Breyer and published by the Schiffer Publishing Ltd., 1469 Morstein Road, Westchester, Penn.
I hope you can find useful information on it for your project.

goto this link http://www.airconnection.on.ca/Default.htm and click on the "AJ Press" icon, then scroll down to "Graf Zeppelin Siegfriend Breyer" click that link . it will show you the side profiles & rib framing of the ship. you can save the picures to my documents & print them out. can use 040 to 080" plastic sheets to make the keel & ribs than use 030 to 040" to put the skin on. if making a 1/144 scale than make framing out of either balsa wood or 1/8" marine plywood & either balsa wood or 040" plastic for the ship's skin

ok,but it may sound silly but how to go about since never done it before

how about scratch building 1

would like to know where can get any version even settle for built one

QUOTE: Originally posted by djrost_2000 I'm pretty sure Revell AG has stopped making the 1/720 GZ. I got 2 kits last year and I had a hell of a time obtaining them. I couldn't even find any on Ebay. Dave

Well I found it on a UK website, but the last time I checked it wasn't listed anymore.

I'm pretty sure Revell AG has stopped making the 1/720 GZ. I got 2 kits last year and I had a hell of a time obtaining them. I couldn't even find any on Ebay.

Dave

QUOTE: Originally posted by meow the kit was never available in in australia and no mention was ever made in most histories of read of the period but surely there are other supplies around and what about the hansa version shown in the geocities link

I'm not sure if it's the one you're thinking of but from what I see on that one site, the Hansa version is 1:1250 scale. Which to me is a bit small to be a useful model.

the kit was never available in in australia and no mention was ever made in most histories of read of the period but surely there are other supplies around and what about the hansa version shown in the geocities link

Back to the topic at hand, the color of the deck according to the models assembly instructions is Dark Grey, thus my deck will be this color. Considering that at 1:720 the planking would be fairly invisible it doesn't matter either way.

QUOTE: Originally posted by joe100 You should have the scan now. I really hope next time you'll be a little kinder to your fellow modelers and not fly off the handle just because you can. I would have been more than happy to share any information I have with you for your model. I love talking about GZ, she is my favorite ship. This isn't some contest to see who knows more, and if I came across as a know-it-all in my first post I apologize. I didn't mean to, I promise. I was just excited to post about GZ, that’s all. But that doesn't excuse your downright mean attitude toward me. Joe

Yeah, my mean attitude triggered by your arrogant attitude. Getting all offensive saying, "Whoah there buddy" or whatever in reply to my simple non agressive, non nasty question about proof.

You should have the scan now. I really hope next time you'll be a little kinder to your fellow modelers and not fly off the handle just because you can. I would have been more than happy to share any information I have with you for your model. I love talking about GZ, she is my favorite ship. This isn't some contest to see who knows more, and if I came across as a know-it-all in my first post I apologize. I didn't mean to, I promise. I was just excited to post about GZ, that’s all.

But that doesn't excuse your downright mean attitude toward me.

Joe

you really are a creep

go to http://www.airconnection.on.ca/Default.htm and click on the "AJ Press" icon, then scroll down to "Graf Zeppelin Siegfriend Breyer" click that link and BINGO there ya go. you can even order a copy for yourself. i highly reccomend this book. the Polish text is translated to the right of each entry and it's 109 pages long. the book was published in Poland and the ISBN is 8372371563

as for the scan, it's on its way to you, i have a slow connection and it's still sending...

Joe

QUOTE: Originally posted by joe100 What is your email adress and i'll do it. i gave you the ISBN for the book, i mean if i where a crackpot would i do that? would i tell you to pick up a copy of a new book that anyone can buy for $20 and turn to page 91 and see for yourself. gimme your email adress buddy. i think you owe me an appology for your not-so-kind remarks. i never did anything to you and i can't understand why you are being so mean. i have nothing to hide and i will email you a scan of the photo. Joe

Are you seriously too lazy to realize that I have my e-mail address entered into my profile?

For your laziness' sake it's adamwehn@yahoo.com

As for the search on the ISBN, it couldn't be found at Borders.com.

What is your email adress and i'll do it.

i gave you the ISBN for the book, i mean if i where a crackpot would i do that? would i tell you to pick up a copy of a new book that anyone can buy for $20 and turn to page 91 and see for yourself. gimme your email adress buddy.

i think you owe me an appology for your not-so-kind remarks. i never did anything to you and i can't understand why you are being so mean. i have nothing to hide and i will email you a scan of the photo.

Joe

QUOTE: Originally posted by joe100 Whoa there buddy. A simple "hey could you substantiate that with a photograph?" would have worked just as well. The photograph I’m speaking of is copyrighted by AJ Press and I can't post or link to it on this or any other site. It isn't on my site either because it is unique to AJ Press as far as I know. BUT you can see it in the AJ Press reprint of Siegfried Breyer's book "Graf Zeppelin" on page 91. (ISBN 83-7237-156-3) It shows the partially planked flight deck from elevator #2 looking aft. There is a young woman and a Russian soldier standing in the foreground. Judging by this photo, it appears that about 40% of the decking was completed before the work stoppage. (But if you compare these details to known recon photos this number jumps to 75%) This photo is also unique because it shows Graf Zeppelin’s four screws on the flight deck. They where removed to prevent electrochemical corrosion to the hull and placed in a line on the port side. Very high resolution photograph and it leaves nothing to the imagination. The AJ Press re-release of the Breyer book just hit the shelves about 2 months ago so it is relatively new. The reason I will not post this picture is because not only is it illegal but AJ Press is very sensitive about their copyrights and they get very angry if you cross them. But as I stated above it’s on page 91 so check it out. Best regards, Joe

Convenient for you that you can't prove your claims. You mean the first image I linked to, which shows elevator number two, with elevator 3 blown up in the background? Where there is no wooden planking on the deck? Sorry but you don't have the evidence to sway me, I have all the evidence I need to prove you're a crackpot.

I have a simple solution for you to prove me wrong, scan the image from the book into a computer, and e-mail it to me. Nothing illegal with that.

Whoa there buddy. A simple "hey could you substantiate that with a photograph?" would have worked just as well.

The photograph I’m speaking of is copyrighted by AJ Press and I can't post or link to it on this or any other site. It isn't on my site either because it is unique to AJ Press as far as I know. BUT you can see it in the AJ Press reprint of Siegfried Breyer's book "Graf Zeppelin" on page 91. (ISBN 83-7237-156-3) It shows the partially planked flight deck from elevator #2 looking aft. There is a young woman and a Russian soldier standing in the foreground. Judging by this photo, it appears that about 40% of the decking was completed before the work stoppage. (But if you compare these details to known recon photos this number jumps to 75%) This photo is also unique because it shows Graf Zeppelin’s four screws on the flight deck. They where removed to prevent electrochemical corrosion to the hull and placed in a line on the port side. Very high resolution photograph and it leaves nothing to the imagination.

The AJ Press re-release of the Breyer book just hit the shelves about 2 months ago so it is relatively new. The reason I will not post this picture is because not only is it illegal but AJ Press is very sensitive about their copyrights and they get very angry if you cross them. But as I stated above it’s on page 91 so check it out.

Best regards,

Joe

QUOTE: Originally posted by joe100 Hey Guys, i would like to put the wood/armor deck argument to rest. i'm somewhat of a Graf Zeppelin guru and i've done tons of research on her. (she is my fav. ship) i have a photograph taken durring the summer of 1946 which clearly shows the deck of Graf Zeppelin was planked. this is standard Kriegsmarine practice to lay a teak (non-skid) deck over the armor plating. so if you say the deck was armored you are correct, and if you say it was planked you are also correct. if anyone has any Graf Zeppelin questions, feel free to email me at joseph100@alltel.net best regards, Joe

How do you know the deck was planked? I've seen the same overhead shot and I don't see any evidence that it was planked.

I point to this picture from the deck of the carrier and ask again how do you know it was planked?

http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/2833/kriegsmarine/carrier/grafzeppelin/grafzeppelinn3.gif

Here's the overhead, recon image, I've seen, it does not clearly indicate what the deck was made of.

http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/carriers/images/europe/grafz-2.jpg

Furthermore, looking at your Graf Zeppelin website, I don't see how you could use those images to state that you know the deck was Planked.

Hey Guys,

i would like to put the wood/armor deck argument to rest. i'm somewhat of a Graf Zeppelin guru and i've done tons of research on her. (she is my fav. ship) i have a photograph taken durring the summer of 1946 which clearly shows the deck of Graf Zeppelin was planked. this is standard Kriegsmarine practice to lay a teak (non-skid) deck over the armor plating. so if you say the deck was armored you are correct, and if you say it was planked you are also correct.

if anyone has any Graf Zeppelin questions, feel free to email me at joseph100@alltel.net

best regards,

Joe

DanCooper, i think you can get the hull out of it especially that 1 file i noted to you. debating building her or a modern light carrier 144scale to go with my 6(current) other ships, frigates to a battleship

QUOTE: Originally posted by IronBrigade like i said, i wasnt really too sure if the graf deck was metal or wood.for myself, i am leaving the wood paint finish..it looks pretty cool..but i think i will buy another one and do it with a dark gray deck...gives me another reason to buy another kit..muwhahah

Okay, well the place I ordered it from no longer lists it on their site, I don't know if they ran out or if Revell Germany stopped making it, but there's lots of reasons to explain it.

Thanks for the drawings, David

like i said, i wasnt really too sure if the graf deck was metal or wood.for myself, i am leaving the wood paint finish..it looks pretty cool..but i think i will buy another one and do it with a dark gray deck...gives me another reason to buy another kit..muwhahah

QUOTE: Originally posted by IronBrigade i painted the deck wood color just to bring out more detail.i am thinking about going over the flight deck with a very watered down gunship grey color..i think the flight deck was made of wood, like our US carriers were..here are some pics of someone else who built this carrier http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/ships/carrier/grafzeppelin/scale.html

Of all the details describing the deck I've found it never refers to wood anywhere, just a straight metal deck. Not that I really care, since it never atually got built. And the kit instructions call for it to be the darker gray color, I forget what they call it, but anyways, it's the same color used for the stern and bow plates deck surface.

At this site it says the Flight Deck was 1.9 centimeter armor, converted that's roughly 3/4 inch armor. I've never found any reference to the Graf having a wooden flight deck, and that site you linked me to, only has one image with a wood colored deck, the rest are armor/steel gray. Not trying to rain on your parade or anything, but the Germans got design ideas from the Japanese before beginning construction on the Graf.

http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/2833/kriegsmarine/carrier/grafzeppelin/grafzeppelindata.html

With further research, the Graf Zeppelin was a fleet carrier, and every fleet carrier design I can find refers to armored flight decks, now the escort and auxiliary carriers might have had wooden decks, but All I know is what I've seen and read. Upon further research yes the Essex class carriers had an unarmored wooden deck, but from what I can see/understand they were the exception of carrier design, from what I can see the British, French, and Japanese all used straight steel decks.

The last thing I have to say is that since the ship was never actually completed, and it's your model, do whatever you like with it.

i painted the deck wood color just to bring out more detail.i am thinking about going over the flight deck with a very watered down gunship grey color..i think the flight deck was made of wood, like our US carriers were..here are some pics of someone else who built this carrier

http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/ships/carrier/grafzeppelin/scale.html

QUOTE: Originally posted by IronBrigade QUOTE: Originally posted by adamwehn QUOTE: Originally posted by IronBrigade i am currently building the same 1/720 scale zeppelin..i added the first coat to the flight deck..im working on weathering it and trying to make it perfect. That's cool, I like to do my ship models as if they were fresh out of construction, no weathering or anything. Makes them more authentic in my mind. i actually do the same exact thing..if you go to the new members section i have a link there with a bunch of pics of my ships..all of mine look like they rooled right out of drydock..so far for my zeppelin, i coated the flight deck in light tan.i let it dry then dry brushed dark brown over it to make give it an aged looked sort of..i just have to do something with the brush strokes to make them go away and it should be ready to get the detail going..im going to groove out the inlays across the flight deck.

Other than painting the flight deck I don't plan to do anything, and I'm just curious what the final color your going to use is. All my data points to the deck being just straight armor/metal.

QUOTE: Originally posted by adamwehn QUOTE: Originally posted by IronBrigade i am currently building the same 1/720 scale zeppelin..i added the first coat to the flight deck..im working on weathering it and trying to make it perfect. That's cool, I like to do my ship models as if they were fresh out of construction, no weathering or anything. Makes them more authentic in my mind.

i actually do the same exact thing..if you go to the new members section i have a link there with a bunch of pics of my ships..all of mine look like they rooled right out of drydock..so far for my zeppelin, i coated the flight deck in light tan.i let it dry then dry brushed dark brown over it to make give it an aged looked sort of..i just have to do something with the brush strokes to make them go away and it should be ready to get the detail going..im going to groove out the inlays across the flight deck.

QUOTE: Originally posted by ddp59 if you want can email them to you. altogether about 2meg of pictures

That would be great, I've been thinking of tackling a carrier for while now, but I really didn't feel like doing the 1000th Interprise or the 500th Foch, I wanted something a little more special.

My e-mail is danytalloen@skynet.be

QUOTE: Originally posted by IronBrigade i am currently building the same 1/720 scale zeppelin..i added the first coat to the flight deck..im working on weathering it and trying to make it perfect.

That's cool, I like to do my ship models as if they were fresh out of construction, no weathering or anything. Makes them more authentic in my mind.