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Carzol Plastics company from Montreal, Canada??

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  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Lacombe, LA.
Posted by Big Jake on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:48 AM
It must be one hell of a book at $153.00 & $199.00 used!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0870213350/qid=1112711936/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-0019856-8540924?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

 

 

  • Member since
    May 2003
  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:47 AM
Re junks - That's an interesting one. The American Heritage Dictionary that I have here in the room says the following:

Junk n. Nautical. A Chinese flat-bottomed ship with a high poop and battened sails. [Portuguese junco or Dutch jonk, both from the Javanese djong.]

I've seen the word applied to a variety of East Asian vessels - Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, and probably others. I suspect it's over-used by neophytes; just exactly what a junk is, as opposed to some other Asian vessel type, I confess I don't know. I wonder, in fact, if the term is actually used by the people of those nations, or whether one only hears it from Westerners.

Those Asian ship and boat types are fascinating things. There's quite a literature about them if one knows where to look for it. Years ago I read Worcester's Junks and Sampans of the Yangtze, but I confess I don't remember much of it - beyond the overall impression that the subject was complex and interesting.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Lacombe, LA.
Posted by Big Jake on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:20 AM
I have the Pyro American Cup, I pulled it and you're right it is the same, I saved some $$.
Thanks.

BTW I scored a Imai "Junk" of the 'bay for 41.00, not bad.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4248&item=5966697944&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

John, would you know the story of why Chinese vessles are name "Junks"? I mean is it something simple because the "look" like some?

Jake

 

 

  • Member since
    May 2003
  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:37 PM
I think it's the old (very old) Pyro Gertrude L. Thebaud. Pyro, and later Lindberg (I think), marketed that kit for a while under the label "American Cup Racer." Note the verbiage - "American Cup," rather than "America's Cup." I wondered at the time whether those words were chosen to let the firm avoid charges of deceptive advertising.

Three clues: 1. This company apparently is in the habit of reboxing Pyro kits. 2. The dories on the deck in the picture: this isn't a racing yacht; it's a fishing schooner. 3. The shape of the bow. It has that radical sweep of the Thebaud, rather than the near-vertical stem and sharply-curved forefoot of the Bluenose.

The old Pyro kit wasn't bad - for its time. It was one of the very first plastic sailing ship kits; I think it first appeared in about 1955 or 1956. The firm was nicknamed, in some quarters, "Pirate Plastics," due to its habit of releasing ships of the same names and scales as certain wood kit manufacturers' products. The now-defunct Marine Models firm, on Long Island, issued a 1/8"=1' scale Thebaud in the forties; I think the Pyro kit is, in essence, a plastic version of that kit.

As I remember it had a one-piece hull; the modeler was told to drill holes through it for mounting the eyebolts for the bowsprit rigging. Most of the fittings were remarkably similar to the white metal castings in the Marine Models kit. Building the Pyro one was, in fact, remarkably similar to building a solid-hull wood kit, minus the sanding, trimming, and grain filling.

The original issue had no sails; they got added in some later incarnation. The "blocks" were horrible, oversized chunks of plastic only vaguely resembling the real things. The "deadeyes" and "lanyards" were molded in with the chainplates, in such a way that the thread used for the shrouds could be threaded between the "lanyards" and actually seized around the "deadeyes." That approach was, I suppose, at least as realistic as the gawdawful plastic "deadeyes and lanyards" that Revell was producing at the time. And I don't believe Pyro ever made a kit with those hideous plastic-coated-thread "shroud and ratline assemblies" beloved of Revell and Airfix.

For all that, the kit produced something that looked remarkably like a fishing schooner - or at least a wood model of one. Not a bad kit, all in all - but hardly state-of-the-art.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Lacombe, LA.
Posted by Big Jake on Monday, April 4, 2005 6:56 AM
Did some searching on the 'net and found out that they seems to have operated by buy/using other molds, such as pyro and the like from the '60's.

Jake

 

 

  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Lacombe, LA.
Posted by Big Jake on Sunday, April 3, 2005 11:37 AM
Thanks Rod.

I wonder how many model companies swapped molds. Now that I know one is out there, I wish some one would re-pop the Heller Xebec!

There wouldn't be any of the BB members wanting to sell one, please?

Jake

 

 

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Greenville,Michigan
Posted by millard on Saturday, April 2, 2005 10:28 PM
Jake
I don't know anything about Carzol.But looking at the box art its looks alot like the old Aurora kit of the Bluenose.If it is its not a bad little kit at all.
Rod
  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Lacombe, LA.
Carzol Plastics company from Montreal, Canada??
Posted by Big Jake on Saturday, April 2, 2005 10:06 PM
Does any of the BB members know anything about a company called Carzol Plastics in Montreal? I 'm looking at buying a model made by this company. They produced a nice sized model of the Bluenose or Reliance. The kit looks like its from the late '60's or early '70's Any help would be appre.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4248&item=5967219086&rd=1

Jake

 

 

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