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Bismark from 1976

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Posted by seaphoto on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 5:17 PM
I'd be willing to bet we are talking about the Aeronaut Kit. It has injected styrene details, a wood superstructure, and at the time you were talking about, a choice of ABS or built up wood hulls. I think the ABS hull is the only option these days. You can build one into a nice model, but it is not in the same league as the Nichimo Yamato in 1/200 scale without a lot of upgrades.

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Posted by DURR on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 2:19 PM
that being 30 yrs ago what of the possiblity that i was an odd euro co behind the then iron curtain who maybe is out of business before the euro co became main stream worldwide or what it is really only since late 80's that we began to see produts from that region on a regular basis
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Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 10:49 PM
I've had no luck finding the old Lindberg kit at any dealer's website. I do remember it, though - with the large caveat that my 54-year-old memory is less than a hundred percent reliable.

Lindberg issued two kits in same-sized boxes, sometime in the mid-sixties. (I can't cite the exact date, but I remember building them in about 1964.) One was the Bismarck; the other was H.M.S. Hood. I don't know whether they appeared simultaneously; the Bismarck may have come out a little earlier.

The Hood was on about 1/400 scale, and is now generally regarded as one of the awfullest warship kits ever produced. It bore scarcely any resemblance to the real ship. Some of the inaccuracies in it were really gross, and incomprehensible. (It featured, for instance, a mysterious three-barreled gun turret on one side of the boat deck. The real ship never carried such a weapon - and having such a thing on only one side would have made the ship list.) My memory of the Bismarck kit is shakier. I suspect it followed the general outlines of the real ship, but it didn't have much detail. I also don't know the scale. I suspect Lindberg didn't care much about stuff like that; it was more important to make the thing fit in a box that matched the Hood's. Both of them, though, were about two feet long - or a little less.

What made them really cool kits (in the minds of kids like I was at the time) were the operating features. They borrowed, on a somewhat less ambitious level, the incredible mechanisms of the notorious "Blue Devil Destroyer," which came out at about the same time. They had motors (with, if I remember right, single, direct-drive, non-scale screws, rather than the twin screws and gears of the destroyer), and cam mechanisms connected to the rudders. ("Ship Follows A Pattern Preset By You!") Another linkage connected the motor, via reduction gears, to a series of cranks that turned the main turrets. Their gun barrels had pins on the bottoms of their breech ends, which traveled in curved grooves in such a way that when the turret neared the end of its traverse the barrels lifted. The turrets went back and forth, and the barrels went up and down, constantly while the motor was running. Hardly rational, but cool.

If I remember right, I got my Bismarck to run around my cousin's swimming pool pretty impressively with its guns wiggling appropriately, but I was never able to get the cams on the rudder to work right. (In my defense, I was twelve or thirteen years old at the time.)

The kits were reissued many times in different boxes. I don't recall that they ever appeared without the motors - but it's possible. (I'm inclined to doubt it, though. The motors and mechanical features were about the only things that made the kits attractive.) I think the Hood, at least, is currently available; I don't know about the Bismarck.

As scale models, both these kits are, by the standards of 2005, pretty bad. But they do make great father-and-son projects - and provide idiots like me with nostalgia trips.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:00 PM
Lindberg had a long tradition of gimmicks-such a motorized kits-so it could be.

Dan
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Posted by ddp59 on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:08 PM
it was the summer of 75 when i saw the model & i was about 16 years old at the time
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 2:10 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Cap43

I think it was the Heller model. I had to remember that I was 12 at the time!!


Nope, definitely Lindberg, and I'm 99% sure it was bigger than the 1/350th ships are. The original poster and I remember the same thing, so I don't think this is just faulty memory here.
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Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 1:54 PM
I'd forgotten about the Heller kit! It's on 1/400 scale - a little smaller than the Tamiya one. I think the Heller one is still available. It's not a bad kit by any means, but I think there's a consensus that the Tamiya one has considerably better detail.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:07 PM
I think it was the Heller model. I had to remember that I was 12 at the time!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:16 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jtilley

Hmmm....It would be silly for anybody to claim absolute, thorough knowledge of every ship model kit that's ever been produced, but I'm not aware of any Bismarck kit that's three feet long. The largest plastic Bismarck I've encountered is the Tamiya one, which is on 1/350 scale - about two feet long. The old Lindberg kit was on about 1/400 scale - i.e., a little smaller.


Funny, when I was a kid I had a Lindberg Bismarck that was pretty huge, a motorized kit. I'm pretty confident that it was bigger than the Tamiya kits are.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 7:20 PM
Wink [;)] Could it be the 1/200 Aeronaut model, with abs hull?
http://www.westbourne-model.co.uk/Aeronaut-Model-Boats.htm
Michel
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Posted by jtilley on Sunday, July 10, 2005 7:11 PM
Hmmm....It would be silly for anybody to claim absolute, thorough knowledge of every ship model kit that's ever been produced, but I'm not aware of any Bismarck kit that's three feet long. The largest plastic Bismarck I've encountered is the Tamiya one, which is on 1/350 scale - about two feet long. The old Lindberg kit was on about 1/400 scale - i.e., a little smaller.

I can suggest three possibilities. One - several companies produce fiberglass hulls, primarily for radio-control models. They generally don't really constitute "kits" in the usual sense, but they sometimes have additional fiberglass parts to give the builder some help with the turrets and superstructure. There probably are some fiberglass Bismarck hulls out there.

Two - it could conceivably have been a wood kit. Several small European companies have manufactured such things over the years. If such a kit exists, your best hope of tracking it down might be to take a look at the ads in one of the British ship and boat modeling magazines.

Three - this may sound crazy, but it's a real possibility. There's a German company called Wilhelmshaven Models that makes incredibly detailed ship models in paper. Paper models are extremely popular in Germany; plenty of hobbyists build nothing else, and develop some extremely sophisticated skills at reproducing complicated shapes in paper. Wilhelmshaven does have a Bismarck, and if I'm not mistaken it's just about three feet long. The amount of detail on some of those paper models is absolutely astonishing; the number of pieces in them sometimes goes into the thousands. A well-made paper ship model is something to behold.

Those are the ideas that come to my mind. Maybe some other Forum members can think of something else. Good luck.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 10, 2005 5:17 PM
no, the kit was from Europe, highly detailed but not moterized.
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Posted by ddp59 on Sunday, July 10, 2005 3:42 PM
that might be a lindenburgh(?) model that was also motorized
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Bismark from 1976
Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 10, 2005 1:51 PM
this may be a long shot, but my brother was stationed in Germany in the '70's, and brought home a huge model of the Bismark, about 3' long. I'm looking to find it to build it again. Any suggestions?
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