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Weathering an LCM - any tips?

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  • From: Derry, New Hampshire, USA
Weathering an LCM - any tips?
Posted by rcboater on Saturday, August 27, 2005 1:31 PM
I've just about finished my 1/72 scale Trumpeter LCM. The model is painted and decaled, and now I just want to weather the lower hull to show the effects of some time in the water- the discoloring from marine growth, fading, waterline stains, etc.
(The boat is painted in overall USN Ocean Gray 5-O, using Pollyscale scrylics. Theh boat is from an Attack Transport, so it wouldn't have a lot of time in the water.)

I'm looking for some ideas on how to do that-- I'm thinking maybe some very thin coats of a lightened version of the base color, or maybe a very thin coat of dark greenish brown.

I was thinking that I'd mask the waterline with some tape, mist on a light coat, then move the tape up or down a little, and repeat the process a few times. I'm thinking that will give the sort of blended, faded out color at the waterline, not a hard edge.

Any ideas, advice, or comments?

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  • From: vernon hills illinois
Posted by sumpter250 on Saturday, August 27, 2005 4:30 PM
No real tips, but just this. an LCM wouldn't normally spend a lot of time in the water. She'd maker her run to the beach, drop off her "cargo", and return to "mama" and be hoisted aboard, unless there were other runs to make.
She probably wouldn't have much marine growth, as she would normally be washed down between runs. She certainly wouldn't spend months at a time in the water.
I'd look more to see salt, and some scratching under the bow, and on the ramp. Repainting probably wouldn't happen as often as cleaning. I'd also expect to see tread damage on her cargo deck, and ramp surface.
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  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Saturday, August 27, 2005 10:37 PM
I'm inclined to agree with sumpter250. A landing craft assigned to an APA probably would spend only a small percentage of its time in the water. It's also worth remembering that location of an LCM's waterline varied quite a bit, depending on whether a tank was on board or not.

On the other hand, the water near the beach at a Pacific landing must have been filthy, with oil, gasoline, assorted junk, and even blood floating on the surface. (Hmm...come to think of it, does human blood float in saltwater? Maybe not. Let's drop that one.) It would be interesting to look at some photos of landing craft that had just been hoisted out of the water after a landing. I rather suspect some crud was visible on their bottoms, but the maintenance crews probably hosed it off as soon as they had time.

My father was a junior boat group officer on board the attack transport Bollinger (APA-234), which never saw combat but made the rounds among many of the Pacific battlegrounds shortly after the fighting was over. (If she'd been on hand a bit earlier I might not be here.) I'll always regret that I didn't pick Dad's brain more than I did, but he did pass on some tidbits that might be relevant here. One of them was a bit of info about weathering that I've mentioned two or three times in other threads of this Forum. I'll repeat it here for the benefit of anybody who hasn't already read it; I've never heard about it elsewhere. Those who've read my other posts about it - stop reading now.

Much of the time of enlisted men on board WWII U.S. Navy warships (as is the case now) was taken up with chipping and replacing paint. ("If it moves, salute it; if it doesn't move, chip the paint off it.") Virtually every metal part of an attack transport, including the landing craft, got repainted on a fairly regular basis. The standard procedure was for a gang of sailors to chip and scrape the paint off an area of several square feet (making it impossible for anybody within a hundred-foot radius to sleep in the process), brush on a coat of primer, let it dry, and then apply at least one coat of the finish color. The only part of the ship not subject to this ritual was the exterior of the hull, which was off-limits while the ship was under way.

The standard metal primer used by the USN during the war was a sickly, slightly greenish, pale yellow - presumably based on zinc chromate. (Dad described how "some of our great geniuses" tried to save time by mixing a can of primer with a can of grey, thereby producing a particularly nauseus green that The Chief made them throw over the side. There were no anti-polution rules in those days.) According to Dad, at any given moment a dozen or so irregular spots of yellow, in whatever size the painting gang could handle, would be visible on the ship - and their location would change at least once a day. I assume the landing craft were given the same treatment, especially just before and after an operation. (I imagine the plywood parts were dealt with in a similar manner, but I'm not sure about the color of the wood primer.)

The key to reproducing this effect on a model is to keep it subtle. The yellow has to be extremely dull, so it's only noticeable on close inspection.

I once built a model of the Bollinger, using the old Revell APA kit as a basis, and gave it to Dad for Christmas. He was in his seventies at the time. The look on his face when he put on his bifocals and saw those yellow spots was one I'll never forget.

Dad died in 1990; I don't know whatever happend to the model of the Bollinger. High on my list of future models to build, though, is the new Italeri LCVP. It's going to have the letters PA-234 painted on each side of the bow, and two buckets of paint, one yellow, one grey, sitting in a corner of the cockpit.

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  • From: SETX. USA
Posted by tho9900 on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:11 PM
ok just an observation from more modern times... I was with the "gator" (amphibious) fleet serving with the USMC as a Navy Corpsman, and MOST of the weathering I would see (from a modeling standpoint) would be grease or oil on the bottoms of the LCM's and on the exterior were SLIGHT black markings from safety bumpers coming out of the 'hanger' in the rear of the LPD's and LST's...I remember one particularly that had a largish black/brown stripe down the side that kinda angled to the waterline.

They would probably have that in WWII as well from bumping against the sides of the mother ships ... Also inside were chalkish to bare metal scrapes from offloading vehicles... There was very little rust on them even after months at sea, but the above mentioned weathering didn't get erased even in peacetime manuevers..

The faded line wouldnt happen... but lightening the bottom color and giving a mottled haze gray to the uppers would be right on. The bottoms were black but they definitely had a greyish haze over them by the end of ops... (not pronounced) BUT the uppers would have some lighter and darker areas... (perhaps futuring the black and using a VERY thin light gray spray with ye old airbrush would do it)

sorry if this is confusing and one thing I don't think I have pics of from my cruises is the landing boats... I have plenty of pics reaching the beach taken FROM a landing craft, just none of the exterior/interior or bottom...
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  • From: SETX. USA
Posted by tho9900 on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:13 PM
oh yeah --- I agree there would be no barnacles and major weathring on the undersides... they weren't in the water that long. The only weathering we would see is fading on the bottoms and mottled sun weathering on the topsides as well as abrasion from offloading vehicles onto the beach...
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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  • From: vernon hills illinois
Posted by sumpter250 on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 7:14 PM
QUOTE: The only part of the ship not subject to this ritual was the exterior of the hull, which was off-limits while the ship was under way.

I do remember laying to in the gulf stream, rigging stages over the port side, and painting out the port side, just before entering port.........we went starboard side to. Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]

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