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Obscure question on US Navy flag use.... Dr. Tilley?

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Posted by Imperator-Rex on Friday, September 30, 2005 6:35 AM
http://flagspot.net/flags/us-ststr.html
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  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:26 AM
Interesting question. I'm inclined to think it doesn't have a good answer.

I'm not aware of any written policy regarding the issuing of flags to warships during the nineteenth century - but I've never done any research in primary sources on the subject. My general impression, though, is that usage of the American flag during this period was extremely casual. For example, it wasn't until fairly recently that the Congress took the trouble to specify the arrangement of the stars. (Contemporary pictures suggest that several patterns were in use during the War of 1812. And during the Revolutionary War there were no standards whatever. Some flags had stars with six points; some stars were ovate, rather than circular. And some had red, white, and blue stripes.)

Throw in the distinct possibility that the ship's sailmaker made a replacement flag, or that the captain bought one ashore, and the problem begins to look insoluble. I think my approach would be to look for a contemporary painting or engraving of the event in question and see if that helps. (It probably won't - especially if the artist put ripples in the flag.) Failing that, I'd be inclined to give the flag the "correct" number of stars - i.e., one for each state that had been admitted to the union at that time.

I'm afraid that's the best I can do. Good luck.

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Obscure question on US Navy flag use.... Dr. Tilley?
Posted by schoonerbumm on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:08 PM
I'm working on a project covering the frigate Savannah and Sloat's raising of the American Flag over California in 1846. Among the uncertainties being investigated (26, 27 or 28 stars? I vote for 26) a local historian threw a curve at us. Somewhere, sometime, someplace, he heard / read / dreamed that new ensigns were only provided to the larger ships when a new state entered the union. Smaller vessels continued to fly the same 13 star / 13 stripe flag (or 20 star / 13 stripe 1818 flag?) since the flag was changing every year and ships could be away for years....

I've looked into every Navy History / Traditions book I can find (as well as NMM's "Flags at Sea") and have found nothing on this subject. Looking at period paintings I find everything from 9 stripe to 27! stripe flags. so much for artistic license.

Any insight or references on this subject would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in Advance,

Schoonerbumm

Alan

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