S-100 "Fix up list"

Hi Crayfish,

This fellow looks to have done a detailed job and has a nice model. He mentions brass PE and lots of research. He seems to really know what he's talking about:

http://www.modelwarships.com/features/ships/s-100/schnell.htm

Hope it helps. She should be a nice boat when finished.

Thank you rokket.
I was hoping for something a little more advanced than that (not that there is anything wrong with the beautiful kits built by both Jeff Herne and Guido Hopp but…….).
I’ve picked up a few pics from e-bay photo auctions that aren’t all that common and I have the “Schnellboot in Action” book by Squadron/Signal and have managed to unravel all the S-38B pics from the S-100s. There is a video called “Stukas of The Sea, German Speedboats in World War II” that’s got some very interesting footage.
What I’m really after is correct 37mm info (is the M42 same gun as the U-boats used?). I’ve tracked some bits down but was looking to cheat by studying others work. Things like the gun shield that is just a copy from incorrect plans that are doing the rounds. Kit part is a fraction over 24mm, only 3/4 the size it should be. Photos show the shield as being as wide as about 32mm.
The bow 20mm is the wrong/older type and should be the same model as the twin 20s (find someone to buy a second kit with you to get the correct one). I’m doing my own 20mm barrels in brass (1 down 2 to go) and a friend is machining 37mm barrels for both our boats.
I’ve milled the “dolphin blowhole” of the bow decking around the 20mm/AA and removed the smoke float holders of the rear deckhouse roof and the smoke generators mounts off the deck. I’ve figured out that there is almost no “deck-railing” down the sides but 2 strands of wire running from post to post (not a nautical person despite 3 years as a commercial fisherman and I don’t know the name given to the posts).
Anyway as I’ve said I’m looking for people here who have given the S-100s a good deal of research time and would be prepared to pool the info with me.
Regards crayfish
(the link given as "http://www.prinzeugen.com/" dint work. would you know anything about this site or how I could get there?)

HI,
I copied a bunch off a year ago. I don,t know how to set up so you can click on it but
the site is : PrinzEugen.com then go to the Schnellboot Archive. I don't know the guys
name but he was doing a review/build diary w/lots of pics but he had a family emergency (this was June of 04) and I haven't checked back probably will this evening.
Good Hunting,
G.W.

The prinzeugen.com site appears to be (momentarily?) down.

You can check the cached pages related to the Schnellboote by doing an Advanced Search in Google, typing in under
- "Find results with all of the words" : Schnellboot
- "Domain: Only return results from the site or domain" : www.prinzeugen.com

The cached pages can be accessed by clicking "Cached" (the grey link just below the description).

Hope this helps!

Thanks to both of you for your help getting me to Schnellboot Archive. He never finished his boat?
crayfish

Hi Crayfishing,
If you go to the Military Powerboat Museum site you will get photos of S-130 as she is being restored.
I am building the kit as the RN FPB-5130. (Read the number and that will tell you quite a bit).
Dai

Hi Dai, thanks for the link .
So you're backdating the S-100 to a S-38 class boat? That'll look great and I'll bet you will have a unique craft (spy boat?).
The MBM site gave me a good shot (the one I've been using is of the rear on S-204) of the rear of the wheelhouse and I think I'll be rebuilding that too now I've got a better photo!
The plan I have is to remove everything under the skullcap to do with the wheelhouse/flybridge (called an open bridge?) and rebuild it in brass (actually I’ve already gutted the place). The bridge and the big 37mm gun are two of the most important areas I think. These things plus dressing up the torp-tubes and other bits around the place should give me a unique a boat as yours (well no yours will be totally unique mine just a fair detailing).
Regards crayfish

No not backdating......S130 and FPB 5(S)130 are the same boat.
But yes I will have a spy boat.
Dai

Hi Crayfish the "poles" are called "Stanchons" in the US Navy anyway.
They may be removable ( screw in and out of deck) like the US Fleet Boats and Nuke Boats have..
It would aid in torpedo loading unloading etc. Also of note the Torpedo running gear (their screws) were almost always covered by canvas when underway and not on Battle alert..
I may have misspelled stanchons.. LOL

Crayfish,
Wish I could have given you superb info..oh well.

Guns...from the Squadron U-boat book, the Kriegsmarine 37mm were similar but different to other branches. Even diff ammo, not compatible. So I would think any Kriegsmarine would be the same. Should match the u-boats. Not solid I know, but logical.

stanchion

An upright bar, post, or frame forming a support or barrier.

ORIGIN Middle English : from Anglo-Norman French stanchon, from Old French estanchon, from estance ‘a support,’ probably based on Latin stant- ‘standing,’ from the verb stare.

QUOTE: Originally posted by rokket Crayfish, Wish I could have given you superb info..oh well.

No, don't think you were no help . The more you look and discover about something the greater the satisfaction, so you are now part of the satisfaction I’ll feel at the end of this project.
At your web site I saw how you’ve heavily modified the Revell U-Boat to include all the knowledge you’ve gained that will individualize it from all other kits, so I know that you understand where I want to go with the S-100.
Thanks for your help so far
Regards crayfish (steve)

Thanks butchy and Imperator-Rex . You were both a big help (really).
Butchy you're right about those covered torpedoes. The same with the Germans as well. IIRC it took over 5min to set-up and winch the new torpedoes into the tubes and it wasn’t a job that was undertaken in range of the enemy!
Thanks again people
crayfish

You're very welcome! And for more info, you could also try to get your hand on

- Warship Pictorial #15: Kriegsmarine Schnellboote (Classic Warships) - excellent
- German E-Boats (Osprey Publishing)
- Schnellboote (Morskaya Collekchiy) - in Russian but with lots of picts and plans

There also seems to be another Squadron Signal in preparation (Schnellboot in Action vol.2).

The prinzeugen.com site is working again; I guess you already checked their own review of the S-100 model (http://www.prinzeugen.com/Model.htm) which seems to be quite detailed.

Oh, and last but not least, welcome to the forum!

Online
Ref. #1
Chris Wauchop at Hyperscale.
A good, almost stock build.
http://hsfeatures.com/s100cw_1.htm
Ref. #2
Don Jamieson at Hyperscale.
One of the best attempts at blending different aspects together.
http://hsfeatures.com/features04/s100dj_1.htm

No longer available online
Jeff Herne’s S-100 at Armorama. He used the White Ensign Detail set #7201. The actual article looks to have been moved now for some reason. Rokket's link at the top of the thread will take you to it
I have web pics of a professionally built S-100 from when the kit first came out (built for a client but shown to us all some years ago). Beautiful paint work on this boat along with a ton of mods to the basic kit. I kept the pics but didn’t bother with any details on the builder (I wish I did now!!).
Also some “progress” pics from the 6th AMPS, LA meeting. This S-100 later went into a dio of a boat being re-armed at a wharf. Lots of detailing again to inspire. Same as above I have no idea who built the kit.



So there's lots of inspirational material available on line for sure, but as an avid armored kit builder, on a sabbatical, I was hoping to get in touch with ether builders who had built a file on S-100s (much as David Krakow has) or builders who were looking to plunge into a super-detailing/scratch-building fest and who are prepared to pool info to get a good, cheap accuratized S-boat. Don’t think I’m nit-picking others boats because I’m not comfortable with doing a “PE” conversion, I do think there’s an opportunity to contribute construction pathways for others (helping out as you are helping me) Anyway ranting ends for now and thank you for the kind welcome to the site (good to see a happy community for a change ), regards for now.
crayfish

QUOTE: Originally posted by Dai Jones No not backdating......S130 and FPB 5(S)130 are the same boat. But yes I will have a spy boat. Dai

Sorry about That , When I read "The S-38 class, of which S-130 is an example, was a continuation of the S-26 class." I assumed they knew what they were on about (plus that tiny pic looks a bit like a S-38B with the pushed out air intakes).
Please keeps us updated on your progress (something for me to look forward too ).
crayfish

Has anyone seen this guys build? Super detail. It's in German-will have to translate. Sounds like the guy may be into commercializing his own PE set.

http://www.modellmarine.de/phpwebsite/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=253&MMN_position=9:9

Take Care,

Jess

Jess, that is exactly what I was looking for, thank you very much .
Both boats had a lot of very inspirational modifications. The S-38 was by far the most interesting (not that I’m building one). I’d contemplated a 38B (not that far removed from the 100 that it couldn’t be back dated quickly) but not a 38! Wow and built with the engine room opened as well.
I think I’d like to have a few drinks and a good chat with that Lutz Fuhrmann fellow and see if he’d like to do me a PE set or 2 for the torpedo tubes, torpedoes and the spare torpedo cradles. There are things I’d bring up about the S-100 but in a polite way so as not to offer any offence. I completely agree with him about the bow 20mm and that seems to be indicative of the S-100’s (the elliptic arrangement is confirmed photographically on the 38Bs but not the 100s from what I can tell).
Anyway thanks for both the interest and the link (google translation into English, well “Googlish” really, can be done by entering “modellmarine.de” and selecting “translate this page”).

crayfish (steve)


or try this with a cut and paste
http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.modellmarine.de/phpwebsite/index.php%3Fmodule%3Dpagemaster%26PAGE_user_op%3Dview_page%26PAGE_id%3D250%26MMN_position%3D9:9&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmodellmarine.de%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG

Thanks for the kind words Crayfish. Jess has been a huge help to me too, glad you got some good stuff. I notice that the prinzeugen site is up again:

"http://www.prinzeugen.com/"

Post some pix when you begin construction. And all this S-boot talk has got me thiking about one..but schedule that in about 3 years.

QUOTE: Originally posted by rokket Post some pix when you begin construction.

Five hours later I think I have a handle on image albums and how to work with them.

Anyway rokket this is just the cleaned back bit of building the boat. From here on in the project requires restoration work. I know that the link to the S38 with “photo-etched improvements” will dive me deeper than I was going to go on this but it is a sabbatical so why not.
regards crayfish
link to album is
http://photobucket.com/albums/c149/crayfishing/Crayboat%20_S-100/

Nice pix, Crayfish, thanks for sharing. Love the brass rails you've made, any hints? (I'm planning some soldered brass myself, and am afeard rails will de-solder as I go...)

The two links show nice paint jobs with nice chipping, and I really like the waethered wood slates, tho i imagine they would be more like the German site (very detailed and informative, even in Googlish), Schiff/grey/black. The open tubes were a nice touch.

Rokket,
Sorry to not get back to you sooner friend (getting distracted by the potential in the 1/350 Bismarck kit!). The rails are 0.8mm rod and were not hard to do apart from burning my fingers in my haste to get things moving. I personally think it looks too thick so I’m going to a 0.5mm (0.020inch?) wire and see if that looks better. Ok here is some good info for soldering that will work for this type of thing, (100% for 1/72 U-Boats too ) I hope that helps. Image hosting site will not allow indirect linking, so to get the story on this very good technique go to this site and check out Flak’s work.
crayfish
http://www.planetarmor.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1203&st=15

You're Aces, Cray. Thanks heaps. As far as scale sizes...yeah, they're weird - sometimes 100% accurate doesn't convey the feel. I might go slightly thicker (than true scale) for top rail because the top rail was actually very thick, and this might be shown better with tiny exaggeration.