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Posted by Lufbery on Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:39 PM

 densmodelships wrote:
Thanks Drew for visiting my site and for the welcome, you can contact me by e-mail at, densshippage@aol.com , thanks again, Dennis.

Thanks, Dennis. I'll be in contact soon.

Regards,

-Drew

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Posted by densmodelships on Saturday, November 26, 2005 11:59 AM
Thanks Drew for visiting my site and for the welcome, you can contact me by e-mail at, densshippage@comcast.net , thanks again, Dennis.
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Posted by Lufbery on Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:59 AM

Hi Dennis,

I saw your Constellation at Modelwarships.com a few weeks ago and visited your site. I'm glad you joined the forum here. There are some wonderfully friendly and knowledgeable folks who hang out at this end of the forum.

I had a few quesitons on your Constellation model. I could ask them here, in another thread, or send you an e-mail; whichever you prefer.

Warm regards,

-Drew

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Posted by densmodelships on Thursday, November 24, 2005 3:41 PM
Thank you very much John, this information is very helpful to me, I can use all the help I can get, Thanks Dennis.
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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:27 AM

A really remarkable piece of work.  But I hope I may be forgiven for thinking there may be a typographical error in the description.

It sure looks like a seventeenth-century ship (i.e., one dating from the 1600s).  There were no ships of 64 guns in the English navy (or, to my knowledge, anybody else's) during the sixteenth century, and the term "ship of the line" wasn't in use yet.  (I just took a look at the latest book on the subject, Arthur Nelson's The Tudor Navy, 1485-1603.  I did find, on one of Mr. Nelson's ship lists, one vessel of 68 guns - but that was a freakishly large galleon, Sir Martin Frobisher's Triumph.)  The rating system (identifying this one as a "third rate") didn't come into use until the 1630s. 

To get really technical about it, the term "sixteenth-century British" is a bit of an oxymoron in itself.  The kingdom of Great Britain didn't exist until 1707, when the Act of Union brought Scotland under the same Parliament as England and Wales.  Prior to that time the institution that operated ships like this was known as the English Navy. 

If it's not to late, you might want to think about the flag that's flying from the main masthead.  The English/British flag has evolved considerably over time.  My monitor is too small for me to see it really clearly, but it looks like the one on the model may have the St. Patrick's Saltire - the diagonal red stripes.  They weren't added to the British flag until 1801, when another Act of Union brought Ireland into the fold.  Prior to that time the diagonal stripes were white.  The St. Patrick's Saltire is, in effect, a pinwheel-shaped diagonal red cross superimposed on the slightly wider diagonal white Cross of St. Andrew, representing Scotland.  (The ensign flown by English warships of the seventeenth century did include the Cross of St. Andrew - even before the 1707 Act of Union.  That's probably the flag that would be appropriate for this model.)  In the sixteenth century flag heraldry had yet to be firmly standardized, but the most common flag flown by English warships at that time seems to have been the simple red Cross of St. George on a white background.

Please forgive this bit of pendantry from a history teacher (who's about to go to bed, having stayed up too late for his own good grading exam papers).  Like I said earlier, I suspect the date is a simple typo.  I wouldn't mention it if it weren't easy to fix.  And welcome to the Forum.  You'll find it's a nice, helpful place - except for certain obnoxious, long-winded history teacher types.

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Posted by densmodelships on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 1:08 PM
Thank you Scott, before I joined this forum I have scoped out your site also, and I must say you are very much a craftsman yourself. B E Autiful models, I like the Pheonix and the 038.jpg models, very nice work. Thanks again, Dennis.
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Posted by scottrc on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:12 AM
Hi Dennis and welcome to the forum.  I just visited your site and was blown away by you craftsmanship.  You are truly a fine artisan.

Regards,
Scott

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64-Gun British Ship
Posted by densmodelships on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:05 PM

 Hi all, I just finished the USS Constellation built from scratch, now I am working on one of my own models, its a 64-Gun British Ship also built from scratch. You can view this ship on this page http://www.densmodelships.zoomshare.com/5.html 

 

 Thanks,

 Den

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