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Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:26 PM
Greg,
that is a fantastic article, and ship. I know that you are proud of your efforts.

Donnie

In Progress: OcCre's Santisima Trindad Finished Builds: Linbergs "Jolly Roger" aka La Flore Mantua's Cannone Da Costa Americano linberg's "Cptn Kidd" aka Wappen Von Hamburg Model Shipways 1767 Sultana Midwest Boothbay Lobsterboat (R/C)

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Posted by cthulhu77 on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 5:23 PM

  yep, she's afloat, aleft, aright, and full speed ahead!

 

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Posted by cthulhu77 on Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:43 AM

  Thanks all !  Yep, the base ended up costing more than the ship kit did...had to chuckle at that one...yet another receipt to hide from my wife !  I'll post a link to the MM site when the review is up, many more pics there, as well as some bits about the sails.  Tilley's going to flay me alive about the rigging though...ah well.

 

               greg

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Posted by Donnie on Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:59 AM
Greg !

You ship is awesome !

Well done Captain !

I like that base - I guess you made that yourself - huh ?

Again, really good work there.

Donnie



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Posted by scottrc on Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:10 AM
Well Done Mate!

Scott

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Posted by cthulhu77 on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 7:08 PM

  Hey Hey !  Finished...article written...sails up and let's haul anchor, wish for a good tide and fast women! : 

 

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Posted by cthulhu77 on Friday, March 10, 2006 6:11 AM

  ARRRR ! Shiver me timbers ! Prepare to come about and repel boarders ! Mutiny !

                   No such thing as hijacking one of my threads...we're all in this for the info, after all, and your step by step thread was perfect !  I'm writing a full build up as we speak for an online site, but it will probably be a month or so before it's out (jeez, can you believe it, they like "aircraft" more than ships ! )

    The sail technique is super easy  once you get the hang of it.  Write  if you need more details.

                              greg

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Posted by Donnie on Thursday, March 9, 2006 6:52 PM

Let me go back and say that Greg is a fantastic modeler and I do not want to steal his post by referring to my build. I am innocent in just trying to help the other modeler with his ship. Greg has helped ME alot in the process by encouraging me. Maybe Greg can chime in here and also offer some advice to this person trying his had at ships.

I hope that Greg is not offended by offering my link.

 

Donnie

 

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Posted by sirdrake on Thursday, March 9, 2006 6:50 PM
Blimey, mate! I realized that I forgot to quote, so my previous post was completely out of context. Sorry, I'm the new one Blush [:I] I try again.

 cthulhu77 wrote:
I use regular paper for the sails...soak the paper heavily with water, crumple up into a ball, smooth out gently over the vaccuum formed sail with a bristle brush...let dry overnight.  Brush on an oil based wood finish, let that dry.  Spray with clear satin.  Once dry, the sail pops right off of the mold, retains the detail of the lines, but has all of the translucency of scale sailcloth.


I tried, but run into some problems Sad <img src=">. I always got nasty wrinkels. Seems that is in theory a general problem when trying to map a round surface (sail) onto a flat one (paper) - is there a trick I don't know? I can brush some of them away, but some nasty ones remain. Otherwise I like the look of the paper sails a lot! Any advice welcome.

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Posted by sumpter250 on Thursday, March 9, 2006 5:22 PM

   That's actually some of the best model sails I've seen. I'll have to give that technique a try.

Scuplting with wet toilet paper is probably easier than figuring out those rigging plans!

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Posted by Donnie on Thursday, March 9, 2006 4:58 PM
You really need to go by the instrucitons to build the deck and hull. If I read you correctly, you are wanting to glue the hull halves together first? Hummm - I don' think that will work. The deck must be completely finished becuase the deck is sandwiched inbetween the hulls.

You can also go to my link on my build of the Jolly Roger for info on the building process.
http://www.finescale.com/FSM/CS/forums/560730/ShowPost.aspx

Donnie

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Posted by sirdrake on Thursday, March 9, 2006 12:57 PM
I tried, but run into some problems Sad [:(]. I always got nasty wrinkels. Seems that is in theory a general problem when trying to map a round surface (sail) onto a flat one (paper) - is there a trick I don't know? I can brush some of them away, but some nasty ones remain. Otherwise I like the look of the paper sails a lot! Any advice welcome.



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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 11:46 AM

New member here, that's a very nice looking model!

I've just picked up a "Jolly Roger" myself, with plans to build it as an O'Brian/Aubrey "HMS Surprise" as it's by far the closest kit I can find in plastic to that ship.

I have a few questions on the build however, for you or anyone else familiar with the kit.  Specifically, do the decks and hull need to be assembled in the directed order?  Building as per the instructions would preclude rigging any of the gun deck cannon, and necessitates painting the hull in separate halves.

Ideally I'd like to assemble the hull halves first for painting, then drop in the gun deck, add and rig the cannon and all the other bits, then drop the spar deck on top of the completed sub-assembly.

Something tells me the hull shape is going to make this impossible w/o major modifications however, so perhaps I should not bother with it.  I'm doubting anyone but me will ever notice the gun deck rigging, or lack thereof on this small scale.

My second question deals w/ rigging.  Or rather, how to do it.  There seems to be rather a lack of pinrails on the model (I must admit I've not inspected it super carefully yet), let alone directions on what gets rigged where for the attachment points that do exist on the model.  The single picture on the back of the directions just isn't doing it.  I'm a long, long way off from this problem, but if I do need to bash more pinrails I'd rather do it during the initial assembly rather than at the end.

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Posted by RALPH G WILLIAMS on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:54 PM

Outstanding effort.

I can feel the wind at my back and the salt spray in my face.  This is what sails and ships are all about!

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Posted by cthulhu77 on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:21 PM

  Running is coming along well...jeez, these guys loved rope !  Arrrr!

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Posted by cthulhu77 on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:34 AM
Whoa!  Much better !  Thank you very much !
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Posted by schoonerbumm on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 1:38 AM

Check your e-mail for a better set of plans. Hope they help.

Great job on the Roger!

Alan

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Posted by Donnie on Monday, January 16, 2006 10:19 PM
I know what you mean. I saw the same diagram and thought to myself - OK,there has to be another way. I found a simple one mast rigging diagram for standing rigging and I wish I could find it for you. It helped me alot.
I will see what I can do to help. Of course you have my images on the JR that I done - you are more than welcome to look at those.  Great to see you!

As I am working on the Captain Kidd linberg, I found the same thing on the rigging diagram - hardly no directions.

Donnie

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Posted by cthulhu77 on Monday, January 16, 2006 9:03 PM

   Arrrgghhh!  Try to figure out the rigging from this fuzzy sheet is like trying to make the venus de milo from wet toilet paper!

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Posted by cthulhu77 on Friday, January 13, 2006 8:06 PM

  get the paper soaking wet, and use a dry bristle brush to smash it down into the vac...let dry, and then use an oil based wood finish...it is amazing how clear it comes out !  Glad you like it so far.

              greg

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Posted by scottrc on Friday, January 13, 2006 11:43 AM
I have never tried typing paper but after seeing your results, I just have to try it.
Scott

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Posted by cthulhu77 on Friday, January 13, 2006 9:30 AM

  Well, thanks!  Usually, I don't put sails on the ships, but do them furled or not even there...but this one does have a life of it's own!

   I use regular typing paper, wet down and brushed into place over the vac mold...then oil it with Minwax golden oak, then spray it with clear acrylic...the light shines through it well, and it is stiff enough to take the needle and thread for rigging.

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Posted by Donnie on Friday, January 13, 2006 9:24 AM
I am very impressed with your work. She almost looks ready for sea.

Donnie

In Progress: OcCre's Santisima Trindad Finished Builds: Linbergs "Jolly Roger" aka La Flore Mantua's Cannone Da Costa Americano linberg's "Cptn Kidd" aka Wappen Von Hamburg Model Shipways 1767 Sultana Midwest Boothbay Lobsterboat (R/C)

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Posted by scottrc on Friday, January 13, 2006 9:10 AM
I must say, very fine work indeed.  In regards to your sails, you say you used regular paper?  Is it a parchment paper, writing paper, or more of a tissue.

I have been doing this technique as well with parchment and silkspan.  I am glad to see another modeler is doing it as well with such beautiful results.

Regards,
Scott

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Posted by cthulhu77 on Friday, January 13, 2006 7:22 AM

  Originally, I wanted to put red sails on some of the yards, but it was too overwhelming, so stuck with the linen look .  Now, to start on the running rigging:

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Posted by cthulhu77 on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 1:30 AM
I use regular paper for the sails...soak the paper heavily with water, crumple up into a ball, smooth out gently over the vaccuum formed sail with a bristle brush...let dry overnight.  Brush on an oil based wood finish, let that dry.  Spray with clear satin.  Once dry, the sail pops right off of the mold, retains the detail of the lines, but has all of the translucency of scale sailcloth.
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Posted by Donnie on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:43 PM
Why, she will be getting the wind any time now !  Mighty Good.
Donnie
what are the materials for sails may I ask?

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Posted by cthulhu77 on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 7:12 PM

  Arrrgh! For those of us who remember the sailors of steel, and the ships of wood , the sails are going up:

 

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Posted by cthulhu77 on Sunday, January 8, 2006 8:14 PM

LOL...nah, I think that Cap'n Jack would be assured enough to sail the seas even with pink sails...but these will be of a ruddier cast.

   One of the modelers on whatif said if I was going to mount a bofors on the stern, each gunport should have a torpedo tube.  Yikes.

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