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  • Member since
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  • From: BOONEVILLE, MISSISSIPPI
Best way to clean new PE parts?
Posted by ipms40049 on Thursday, December 22, 2005 3:49 AM
whats the best way to clean new Photo etch parts? soak them in rice Vinager?, supposedly rice vinager is stronger and has a more acidic effect. Or just wash them in soad and water?

I'm open to any suggestions

Pat Hensley Booneville, Ms "Thank you for being here and playing nice"...please do not drag sand outside the box ! CURRENT BUILD(s) Revell 1/72 U Boat VII C Tamiya Willys Jeep - for 2010 Nats Bronco's Staghound -for 2010 Nats Dragons M16 Multi gun carriage - for the 2020 Nats. LOL
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  • From: Mansfield, TX
Posted by EdGrune on Thursday, December 22, 2005 7:43 AM

PE is generally clean when it leaves the manufacturer.   They have to wash it and rinse all the etching residue off or it would continue to etch in the packet.

The problem is you and your pizza-grease stained fingers ...

I've found that a brief soak in lacquer thinner esaily dissolves finger oils.  After the lacquer thinner allow the piece to air dry on a piece of lint-free material.    It is then ready for painting.    

I have not found it necessary to anneal the PE by heating it to cherry-red over a candle.   I seem to be able to work it without that step -- perhaps on larger armor subjects it may be beneficial.   Anneal first then clean & paint.

I have tried an overnight soak in vinegar.   There was no appreciable difference in paint adherance between the lacquer thinner treatment and the vinegar treatment

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  • From: BOONEVILLE, MISSISSIPPI
Posted by ipms40049 on Thursday, December 22, 2005 8:07 AM
 EdGrune wrote:

PE is generally clean when it leaves the manufacturer.   They have to wash it and rinse all the etching residue off or it would continue to etch in the packet.

The problem is you and your pizza-grease stained fingers ...

I've found that a brief soak in lacquer thinner esaily dissolves finger oils.  After the lacquer thinner allow the piece to air dry on a piece of lint-free material.    It is then ready for painting.    

I have not found it necessary to anneal the PE by heating it to cherry-red over a candle.   I seem to be able to work it without that step -- perhaps on larger armor subjects it may be beneficial.   Anneal first then clean & paint.

I have tried an overnight soak in vinegar.   There was no appreciable difference in paint adherance between the lacquer thinner treatment and the vinegar treatment




What exactly does it mean to 'anneal' it? and whats involved in that step?

thanks
Pat Hensley Booneville, Ms "Thank you for being here and playing nice"...please do not drag sand outside the box ! CURRENT BUILD(s) Revell 1/72 U Boat VII C Tamiya Willys Jeep - for 2010 Nats Bronco's Staghound -for 2010 Nats Dragons M16 Multi gun carriage - for the 2020 Nats. LOL
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  • From: Mansfield, TX
Posted by EdGrune on Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:18 AM

The instructions which accompanied some of the White Ensign [and GMM ?] sets would have you heat the PE over a candle or stove flame until the piece was a dull-cherry red.   [Typical personal protection measures apply]  Take care to not heat to burning or melting as you do not damage fine etchings, such as railings or PE gun barrels.  Allow the piece to cool - do not quench the part in water to force cooling.  This process would change the hardness of the metal and allow it to be formed more easily.

I just went & checked some current instructions and I do not find these instructions.  Perhaps the advances in the drafting and etching technologies with respect to relief etching to provide bend lines has made this step no longer necessary.

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Posted by ipms40049 on Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:40 AM
Thanks Ed, that is a good idea for some PE, some PE is really thick and much harder, Verlindens come to mind on that, but like you, the ones ive used mainly, like GMM or WEM are really thin anyways, and usually bend just fine.
Pat Hensley Booneville, Ms "Thank you for being here and playing nice"...please do not drag sand outside the box ! CURRENT BUILD(s) Revell 1/72 U Boat VII C Tamiya Willys Jeep - for 2010 Nats Bronco's Staghound -for 2010 Nats Dragons M16 Multi gun carriage - for the 2020 Nats. LOL
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Posted by Ron Smith on Thursday, December 22, 2005 12:01 PM
 EdGrune wrote:

 Allow the piece to cool - do not quench the part in water to force cooling.  This process would change the hardness of the metal and allow it to be formed more easily.


Actually quenching cuprous alloys does not have a negative effect on annealing. In fact it's a better to quench cuprous alloys in warm water as it gives a more even cooling than air, especially where there are rapid changes in thickness. You're thinking of steels where quenching will harden it.

As for cleaning, I rarely bother with "fresh" PE since both Alclad and Mr. Surfacer adhere well enough. Older PE that has oxizied might get a buff from a microscratch brush or a quick soak in vinegar then a thorough rinse. If I'm worried about finger oil a quick wipre or dip of acetone works well.

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Posted by Jeff Herne on Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:29 PM
And what, pray tell, is wrong with eating pizza while you model?? :-)

Just thought I'd stirr the pie..pizza pie that is.

(It's lunchtime, can't you tell?)

Jeff
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Monday, December 26, 2005 8:37 PM
LoL Jeff... ya got cheeze on yer nose!!Laugh [(-D]Evil [}:)]
If you lose your sense of humor, you've lost everything
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