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  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Madison, Mississippi
Wappen Von Hamburg "Flag"
Posted by Donnie on Friday, December 30, 2005 10:09 AM
I noticed that this ship the Wappen Von Hamburg (sold as Captain Kidd) has on some models a flag that resembles a Castle. It has a red background with a white Castle on it.
Now, I also found some same ships that the builder did not use the flag that has the Castle, but a flag that has what seems to be a phoenix on it.
Can anyone tell me what is going on here. I have this kit and wanted to put the Castle Flag on it, but I was wondering about this Phoenix.
Also, if someone would tell, me as I am near finished with my la Flore (JR), I did not want to put the skull and cross bones, but would rather put the flag that would normally go on this ship. Can someone help me with both of these request.

Thanks everyone in advance !

Donnie

In Progress: OcCre's Santisima Trindad Finished Builds: Linbergs "Jolly Roger" aka La Flore Mantua's Cannone Da Costa Americano linberg's "Cptn Kidd" aka Wappen Von Hamburg Model Shipways 1767 Sultana Midwest Boothbay Lobsterboat (R/C)

  • Member since
    May 2003
  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Friday, December 30, 2005 10:44 AM

"Wappen," I believe, is German for "heraldic symbol," or "coat of arms."  So the name of the ship might be translated "Emblem of Hamburg," or something of that nature.  Hamburg was one of the states of the Holy Roman Empire that eventually became Germany.  I don't know anything about pre-unification German flags, but I suspect that white castle on the red background is the state flag of Hamburg.  I have no idea what the flag with the phoenix on it might be.

There seems to be some doubt about the history of  La Flore (and even whether she actually existed).  I gather she was commissioned right around the time of the French Revolution.  The French national ensign during the reign of Louis XVI was, I believe, a simple white banner (white being the color of the Bourbons).  I have the impression that pre-Revolutionary French warships sometimes flew white flags ornamented one way or another with gold fleur de lis, but I'm not aware of any consistent rule about that.  (Michel - can you help with this one?)  After the French Revolution, of course, a French warship would fly the red, white and blue "tricoleur" that's still the French national ensign. 

I've got a book about the history of naval flags; I'll take a look at it and see if it contains anything else that would help.  But I think the above is the straight scoop.

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  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Madison, Mississippi
Posted by Donnie on Friday, December 30, 2005 11:31 AM
Thanks Mr. Tilley.

It seems that the fleur de lis would make sense. On one of the ships, it was very tiny, but it was a white flag and had what looked like tiny gold dots of something. It could very well be a white flag with fleur de lis printed on it. But too small to really tell.

Donnie

In Progress: OcCre's Santisima Trindad Finished Builds: Linbergs "Jolly Roger" aka La Flore Mantua's Cannone Da Costa Americano linberg's "Cptn Kidd" aka Wappen Von Hamburg Model Shipways 1767 Sultana Midwest Boothbay Lobsterboat (R/C)

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