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box scale ships
Posted by DURR on Friday, January 20, 2006 12:27 PM

i know most of you will sayYuck [yuck] to them

but several companies put them out and

aside from the odd scales that they work out to be

are any  any good

in accuracy,detail etc...

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Posted by EdGrune on Friday, January 20, 2006 12:50 PM

The answer is ... it depends.  It depends on what are your expectations of the kit.

The '50s era Revell box scale ships are 50 year old state of the art.    Good detail & engineering for the day, not so as compared to today's standards.   Theyt go together well and sailed across the living room rug quite well.   Accuracy - varied but who cared back then.   Most are relatively inaccurate by today's standards.   If you want to update them to today's standards - you have to do quite a bit of destruction to begin.  They have been around long enough that there is aftermarket support for many of them. (1:426 Arizona,  1:240 4-piper, etc.)

Current IMEX cargo ships ... are actually quite well done although much surface detail is missing or grossly overscale.  Accuracy - what ship are they exactly?  They are designed for motorization so you may have to deal with that.   You may have problems finding exact scale details to add/replace.   You don't have to do much destruction in order to begin.

ZhengDefu kits Question [?], such as their 33cm series.   The models are 33cm long - scales are all over the place. Again mostly set up for motorization.   Details are missing and it is really hard to come up with a match.   Soft plastic - play toys.  Accuracy - humph!

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Posted by sumpter250 on Friday, January 20, 2006 12:58 PM

  The thing about ships, and scale, is that most people have no real concept of just how large a ship is with respect other objects. Because of this, box scale ships can be used for other scales. The Revell "Russian Spy Trawler" kit works very well for N scale (1:160). The Lindberg " North Atlantic Fishing Trawler" makes an excellent 137' coastal freighter in HO scale (1:87.1). I have some of the IMEX kits, that I'll bash into something else.

Pete

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Posted by jtilley on Friday, January 20, 2006 1:04 PM

This query is so generalized that I have trouble coming up with a good answer, but I'll try. 

The biggest practitioner of the "fit the box" policy always was Revell (though Lindberg and Aurora subscribed to it from time to time as well). I think it's fairly safe to say that, at least prior to the late 1960s, Revell ship kits generally represented the state of the art as it existed at the time.  In modern terms that means that some of the old Revell ship kits are real dinosaurs.  Somebody ought to pass a law to stop them from selling that old Iowa-class battleship, and the other fifties-vintage kits (Fletcher-class destroyer, Midway-class carrier, and Baltimore-class heavy cruiser) aren't much better.  But in the late fifties Revell ships started approaching a reasonable definition of scale accuracy.  The ones that appeared in the late fifties and very early sixties have reasonably accurate basic shapes, though the level of detail doesn't come close to what modern modelers expect.  The Forrestal-class carrier, the attack transport, and the seaplane tender fall in that category.  (The carrier has been updated several times, with different armament and aircraft.)  So do the two Coast Guard vessels, the Treasury-class cutter and Wind-class icebreaker.

In the mid-sixties Revell started producing warship kits that, though they certainly show their age, hold up reasonably well today.  Lots of nice models have been based on the Revell Arizona (the bigger one).  I've always liked the Buckley-class destroyer escort and the Forrest Sherman-class destroyer, which have detail that's really remarkable for their age.  The angle-deck Essex-class carrier was regarded as a masterpiece in its day, but now seems like a bit of a dud; there are some significant problems with its hull that would be a big challenge to fix.  The four-stack destroyer is an old favorite - despite the awful blunder somebody committed in engraving "planking" on the maindeck.  (Those ships had steel decks.)  And the old cruiser Olympia is one of the more intricate warship kits ever.  Any of those kits is, in my opinion, worth the modeler's serious attenton.  They'd take some work (all the guns on the DE kit, for instance, cry out for replacement), but they could be made into handsome, detailed models.  Gold Medal Models makes photo-etched detail parts for several of them.

In the late sixties Revell products in general started to slide downhill in quality, and the warships were no exception.  The North Carolina, to my notion, is pretty awful, as are most of the British and German subjects.  (The Bismarck isn't bad, but better, more recent kits do a far better job with her.) 

I'm sure I've omitted some, but those are the ones that stick in my memory.  Hope this helps a little.  I'm sure other Forum members will want to comment.

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Posted by sumpter250 on Friday, January 20, 2006 2:03 PM

despite the awful blunder somebody committed in engraving "planking" on the maindeck. 

 

Anyone who has ever had the overwhelming ecstatic joy of holystoning, understands the "awful blunder" of "planking" on the maindeck of any naval warship!!

Pete 

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Posted by scottrc on Friday, January 20, 2006 2:59 PM
 sumpter250 wrote:

despite the awful blunder somebody committed in engraving "planking" on the maindeck. 

 

Anyone who has ever had the overwhelming ecstatic joy of holystoning, understands the "awful blunder" of "planking" on the maindeck of any naval warship!!

Pete 



That must rank up there with having a captain who's compulsive about having all the brass and stainless on the ship polished to a mirror finish, then orders us to paint it over.  Then issues a GO to strip the paint and polish it again.

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Posted by DURR on Friday, January 20, 2006 11:00 PM
mini hobby is one of the manufac. a whole line 30 cm aircraft carriers and other stuff
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Posted by subfixer on Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:28 AM
 scottrc wrote:
 sumpter250 wrote:

despite the awful blunder somebody committed in engraving "planking" on the maindeck. 

 

Anyone who has ever had the overwhelming ecstatic joy of holystoning, understands the "awful blunder" of "planking" on the maindeck of any naval warship!!

Pete 



That must rank up there with having a captain who's compulsive about having all the brass and stainless on the ship polished to a mirror finish, then orders us to paint it over.  Then issues a GO to strip the paint and polish it again.

Way off topic, but, since we are digressing to stupid commands to polish or holy stone the brightwork or deck, I would like to add this little item from my old Navy days:

Back in 1974, while I was a quartermaster (QM) on the Ranger (CVA-61), we were steaming at 15 knots  getting a little fuel, beans, bullets and bombs from an AOE during an UNREP (underway replenishment). On the bridge we were standing our respective watches which, among others, included helmsman duties. The off watch QMs still had to do their routine field day work which always included brass polishing. The helm console was a big, beautiful piece of brass with banks of indicators, readouts and a brass switch that operated the emergency steering alarm. This alarm, when activated, alerted the crewmen in each of the two rudder control rooms (aft steering) to disengage the rudder control from the bridge to local control in the aft steering spaces and to commence steering from there. Aft steering is deep in the stern section of the ship and is very isolated. During an UNREP an officer is posted behind the helmsman and leehelmsman (the guy who operates the engine order telegraph) as a safety precaution and to prevent horseplay (what can I say? it's a boring job). Anyhow, one of the off watch QMs was polishing the helm console and jokingly asked the helm safety officer if he would mind pulling the switch down so that he could polish the tarnished brass underneath it. Before anyone could stop him, the lieutenant reached over and activated the emergency steering alarm (he was actually grinning!). The boys down in aft steering dutifully and immediately took control of the rudders and put them in amidships position.  This action caused the tension on the cables that were hung between the ships to start the ships to draw in toward each other. This also changed the ships' base courses which the helmsmen in aft steering tried to compensate by giving it opposite rudder, which resulted in the cables getting over-taut. An emergency breakaway was called away and the cables were cut. One snapped back and cut a boatswain's mate's legs off at the knees. After this little production was finished and the dust settled, our pretty helm console was painted a cheery haze gray and the helm safety officer was royally chewed up and spit off the ship forever. And, as a footnote, the next CO that came along had us remove the paint on the console and polish it to a mirror finish.

 

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Posted by mfsob on Sunday, January 22, 2006 2:26 PM

No doubt that safety officer is an admiral by now? Anyway ...

Ed, I just discovered that IMEX makes something besides display cases and was eying one of their cargo ships. How was the overall fit and assembly? I'm more concerned about that than the availability of aftermarket parts, considering these odd scales.

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Posted by EdGrune on Sunday, January 22, 2006 2:52 PM
 mfsob wrote:

Ed, I just discovered that IMEX makes something besides display cases and was eying one of their cargo ships. How was the overall fit and assembly? I'm more concerned about that than the availability of aftermarket parts, considering these odd scales.

The fit is actually pretty good as these are designed as pool toys and it wouldn't do to have them always sinking (wothout intervention).   They are one-piece full hulls [accurate?].  The main deck fits on a ledge all the way around.  It is a multi-part deck with one part removeable for battery replacement.   The superstructure is made wedding-cake style.   The bulkheads are one-piece rectangles (or irregular shaped as necessary) open on the bottom and top.  Cement a bulkhead to the deck, cement the next deck to that and repeat..   The bulkheads have no detail, hatches, ports, firehoses,etc.   The good thing about this method of construction is that it is easy to paint before stacking the assembly.    The bridgehouse face does have window/port details.

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Posted by mfsob on Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:50 PM

Hmmmmmm, interesting. Maybe I can con my local hobby shop lady into ordering one so I can get a look at it, I'll tell her it's designed to be motorized and that'll do it. Thanks for the info.

MJH
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Posted by MJH on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 4:19 PM
I, too, find that interesting.  I was contemplating trying to obtain the IMEX kit of the "Tampa" container ship, a vessel that enjoys a certain notoriety in this country.  Uncertainty about the quality of the kit was delaying acquisition.  Thanks;

Michael

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