Guess what just arrived on my desk!!!

Jeff Herne

Member since
January 2003

Guess what just arrived on my desk!!!

Posted by Jeff Herne on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 1:24 PM

No, it's not a Trumpeter Hood...but almost as good.

We received a pre-production shot of the 1/72 Revell Type VIIC-41 today. Hull is the same as the previous version, but it includes a Turm IV with twin 20mm flak Zwilling, and a 37mm gun. A new deck eliminates the deck gun but adds a schnorchel and housing. It appears that this deck is molded slightly deeper than the previous version.

Unlike the previous version, the bow is not damaged when you open the box, and the fragile parts, like the wintergarten rails, are supported by heavy sprues all around. Decals are included for 8 boats, and judging from the decals (I haven't reviewed the instructions yet), it appears you can model a VIIC or a VIIC-41. Markings are included for U-295, 307 (Type VIIC), 324, 995, 997, 1002, 1023, and 1105. Obviously, with some of the markings being Flotilla markings, you can model other boats straight from the box.

Looks to be a good build, I'll be jumping into it shortly, probably as an online build.

Drop me an email if you have any questions.

Jeff

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old soldier

Member since
December 2003
From: Oklahoma

Posted by old soldier on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 2:28 PM

Wish mine would show up now.

Old Soldier, RET. Semper Fi Oooh Rah

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DanCooper

Member since
March 2004
From: Belgium

Posted by DanCooper on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 3:32 PM

Must be a mistake, they were supposed to mail it to me Smile [:)]

May we expect a detailed article in our favourite magazine this year, or will it be a usual preview ?

On the bench : Revell's 1/125 RV Calypso

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Jeff Herne

Member since
January 2003

Posted by Jeff Herne on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 3:34 PM

Chances are it will be an online, ongoing, multi-part story. I have to squeeze in between other projects, but it doesn't appear to be an overly complex model.

Jeff

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samreichart

Member since
December 2003
From: Virginia, USA

Posted by samreichart on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 3:51 PM

Jeff-

In some of the shots I saw, it looked like the hull had a modified bow (for the Atlantik changes)...a sharper rake to the bow, and perhaps thinner at the bow as well...???

Has anyone heard if Revell has changed their release date for this model?? When I pre-ordered it from Squadron, they said "February"....

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur :)

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Jeff Herne

Member since
January 2003

Posted by Jeff Herne on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 4:33 PM

Without having the earlier version here to compare it to, I can't tell, but...the mfg. stamp on the inside of the hull says 2003, so I'm guessing it's the early version hull. I have an early boat still in the box at home, so I'll compare the two later on.

I wasn't aware of changes to the hull form from the VIIC to the VIIC-41, I'll look into that tonight when I break open my Anatomy of the Ship book.

As for the release date, I'm not sure. This is a pre-production shot, as the instructions are Xerox copies stapled together, and the parts sprues aren't bagged.

Jeff

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dkmacin

Member since
January 2003
From: Upper left side of the lower Penninsula of Mich

Posted by dkmacin on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 5:14 PM

I have said it before and will say it again:
You are a cruel, cruel and sadistic man Mr. Herne.

Don

I know it's only rock and roll, but I like it.

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Hippy-Ed

Member since
December 2004
From: Stockton,Ca

Posted by Hippy-Ed on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 11:41 PM

dkmacin wrote:
I have said it before and will say it again:
You are a cruel, cruel and sadistic man Mr. Herne.

Don

Don, I whole-heartedly agree Mischief [:-,]

The least he could do is share some pics Black Eye [B)]

Withholding these from us is detremental to one's health Evil [}:)]

If you lose your sense of humor, you've lost everything

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Glamdring

Member since
February 2005
From: Nashotah, WI

Posted by Glamdring on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 8:13 PM

Say, uh Jeff, you don't need an assistant do you? Form processing is getting old for me and I wanna play with the new kits you guys get....

I'm an unrelenting brown noser too if that helps. Wink [;)]

Robert

"I can't get ahead no matter how hard I try, I'm gettin' really good at barely gettin' by"

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Hippy-Ed

Member since
December 2004
From: Stockton,Ca

Posted by Hippy-Ed on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 11:32 PM

Glamdring wrote:
Say, uh Jeff, you don't need an assistant do you? Form processing is getting old for me and I wanna play with the new kits you guys get....

I'm an unrelenting brown noser too if that helps. [LOL]

It's not polite to drool Yuck [yuck]

Now go wipe that stuff off your nose Mischief [:-,]

If you lose your sense of humor, you've lost everything

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MBT70

Member since
March 2004
From: Pacific Northwest

Posted by MBT70 on Thursday, February 9, 2006 6:29 PM

How do you get up in the morning and drag yourself to that awful job, Jeff? Let me save you from your horrid fate and trade you my job as a federal bureaucrat for your stinkin' Build-a-new-release-model-every-day torture.

'Kay?

Life is tough. Then you die.

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Jeff Herne

Member since
January 2003

Posted by Jeff Herne on Friday, February 10, 2006 9:41 AM

Geez ya know (in my best fake Wisconsin accent),

I wish had the time to build a new releases every day!!! Contrary to popular belief, we don't spend our days here at the FSM offices building models. We spend it here, on the forums, making sure everyone behaves!! Just kidding of course.

Jeff

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modelbuilder

Member since
May 2004
From: Kings Mountain, NC

Posted by modelbuilder on Friday, February 10, 2006 9:16 PM

Jeff

Would I be correct in assuming that you can build this version as one of the few that had the Quad 20mm AA gun on the lower platform aft of the sail? I have the First version of this kit and was considering a massive conversion, however if this kit has the later Turm IV tower/sail it would save lots of time and money.

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Imperator-Rex

Member since
April 2005
From: Switzerland

Posted by Imperator-Rex on Sunday, February 12, 2006 5:32 AM

While waiting on Jeff's work, you can already see a preview of the sub on this link:

http://www.modellversium.de/galerie/artikel.php?id=1689

It seems you will have to buy/build the 20mm quad separately (I guess you won't have much trouble finding a 1/72 quad 20mm gun)

Can't wait to get this monster next to the Type C!

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GRAUWOLF

Member since
June 2011

Posted by GRAUWOLF on Sunday, February 12, 2006 6:31 AM

Look for Hasegawa's 8 ton halftrack Sd.Kfz.7/1 Kit: MT14.
It contains a beautiful 20mm quad. Great detail and just right
for the C/41.
Have a nice day and happy modelling.
Smile [:)]

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EdGrune

Member since
August 2005
From: Mansfield, TX

Posted by EdGrune on Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:04 AM

... or instead of using the Hasegawa, wait for the release of Revells new S-boat. It will contain a naval version of the 4-barreled gun.

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Hippy-Ed

Member since
December 2004
From: Stockton,Ca

Posted by Hippy-Ed on Monday, February 13, 2006 5:53 PM

Jeff Herne wrote:
Geez ya know (in my best fake Wisconsin accent),

I wish had the time to build a new releases every day!!! Contrary to popular belief, we don't spend our days here at the FSM offices building models. We spend it here, on the forums, making sure everyone behaves!! Just kidding of course.

Jeff

Yer kidding. Right???

If you lose your sense of humor, you've lost everything

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old soldier

Member since
December 2003
From: Oklahoma

Posted by old soldier on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 7:57 PM

Jeff Herne, have you heard when the VIIC/41 Atlantic version will be out to the LHS's in the USA?

Thanks a head of time.

Old Soldier, RET. Semper Fi Oooh Rah

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Jeff Herne

Member since
January 2003

Posted by Jeff Herne on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:25 AM

Haven't got a precise date, but I would imagine it won't be too much longer.

As for adding the quad 20mm, Ed's right, wait for the new S-boat to come from Revell Germany and steal that one. You can swap the 37mm from the U-boat, use it on the S-boat, and not be wasting a kit for just one flak mount. I haven't seen the new S-boat, so I can't determine what other changes were made to that kit aside from the after Flak mount.

Or, you can use the Hasegawa mount from the half track if you can still find them, and Italeri has one in their new German gun set. That retails for about $12.50

Jeff

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Imperator-Rex

Member since
April 2005
From: Switzerland

Posted by Imperator-Rex on Thursday, February 23, 2006 10:50 AM

Hey, I would like to know more about that new Revell S-Boat. Can somebody post more info on it? I'm just building the "old" one and would be curious to see what kind of changes were made...

Thanky!

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old soldier

Member since
December 2003
From: Oklahoma

Posted by old soldier on Thursday, February 23, 2006 11:02 AM

05002 German Fast Attack Craft&Flak Armament

They appeared like a pack of dogs from early morning fog, began their attacks with lightning speed - and were gone again, as fast as greyhounds.

Towards the end of the war these fast-attack boats were fitted with quadruple 2 cm anti-aircraft flak guns in addition to their normal armament in the aft position. Despite its excellent acceleration and manoeuvrability the S 100 was seriously threatened by the radar position finding and fire control technologies of the allies.

Model details
Scale 1:72
Release date 09/2006
No. of parts 190
Length 486 mm
Skill Level 9

Original details
Type description fast-attack boat
Year/Period 1944
Origin D
Engine capacity 5510 kW
Speed 86 kph
Weight 110 t

Old Soldier, RET. Semper Fi Oooh Rah

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Jeff Herne

Member since
January 2003

Posted by Jeff Herne on Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:31 PM

Rex,

From what I can tell, it's a late-war S-100 class with a quad 20mm in place of the 37mm gun. This was seen on a few boats but not a production variant. Chances are the quad 20s were taken from Type IX U-boats.

The only other option available beyond the S-100 is the S-700 class, an improved S-100 that replaced the forward 20mm with a 30mm gun, and had a pair of aft-firing torpedo tubes in place of the forward launching spares. Because of Allied bombing attacks, the last boats S-701 to 709, were completed as standard S-100 class boats.

Jeff

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MBT70

Member since
March 2004
From: Pacific Northwest

Posted by MBT70 on Thursday, February 23, 2006 3:32 PM

Trivia question ... when I built the Revell S-Boot, I thought the aft gun looked like a Bofors, which is commonly in 40 mm. Is it a Bofors and did they ever make it in other calibers? We used them in Vietnam (2 each on the M-42 Duster) for logging ... cut down trees when Viet Cong are behind them.

Life is tough. Then you die.

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Jeff Herne

Member since
January 2003

Posted by Jeff Herne on Thursday, February 23, 2006 3:54 PM

Back in the 30s, the Bofors company and Krupp had all sorts of technology exchanges, and as a result, the German 37mm Flak 28 is commonly mistaken for a 40mm Bofors. They are very similar in design, to the point that licensing should have been sought, but the war in Europe prevented that.

The Dutch were the first to equip naval vessels with 40mm as the standard AA weapon, and the British built them under license as early as 1937. The US actually started illegally producing 40mm based on imported British weapons, but obtained a license from Bofors in 1940. The Japanese built the weapon as the Type 5, but without any licensing and in limited numbers.

Jeff

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Imperator-Rex

Member since
April 2005
From: Switzerland

Posted by Imperator-Rex on Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:02 PM

Thanx for the feedback about that Revell kit guys.

Regarding the 40mm Bofors gun, I would like to add that the Germans captured several British guns in Norway and used them on selected E-Boats of the 2nd, 4th, 5th and 6th Schnellbootflotillen; the more common 37mm Flak gun entered service in 1943 only, for it had to be adapted for shipboard use.

But according to my sources, the German Flak 28 uses 40mm ammunition, not 37mm as you said; the design was indeed the same as the one used by the Allies. The biggest problem with this gun was that it required a 7 men crew whereas the 37mm Flak LM/42 needed only 3 or 4 men.

So you basically have:
- 40mm captured Bofors
- 40mm Flak 28
- 37mm Flak LM/42

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Jeff Herne

Member since
January 2003

Posted by Jeff Herne on Friday, February 24, 2006 10:30 AM

My bad...early boats carried the Flak 28, which is 40mm, but most commonly seen was the Flak 42, a 37mm weapon, after 1942.

Just remember, since I'm sitting in my office when I type this stuff, I'm usually working from memory and not reference books. :-) Even I, Magister Mundi sum, makes mistakes...lol.

J

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MBT70

Member since
March 2004
From: Pacific Northwest

Posted by MBT70 on Friday, February 24, 2006 2:25 PM

My thanks, Gents ... it also brings a wicked smile to my Kitbasher face.

Life is tough. Then you die.

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