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Not gray, no sails. The first containership.

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  • From: Rowland Heights, California
Posted by Duke Maddog on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 3:53 PM
These are excellent! Thank you. I would love to have these E-mailed to me. My E-mail is on the bottom of my post. If it doesn't work, here it is:

mark@deliduka.com.

Please put FSM in the Subject Line to help prevent my Spam filter from kicking it.

Thanks again!
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Posted by onyxman on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 12:43 AM

OK Duke, you asked for it. Here is the S.S. Anchorage approaching the dock on the first winter trip in.


 


and here is the Ideal X from above. I took the flying bridge detail from this one.


 


and here is mine:



You might get more detail off these if I email them to you. I have several more, including a good shot of the S.S. Maxton, which was another T-2 conversion, but slightly different from the Ideal X.

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Posted by Duke Maddog on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 11:17 PM
Cool! Thanks for this pic. I'm going to hang on to that one. Also, if you can scan some of those old pics and docs from your friend from Sealand, that would be awesome! I'll be looking out for more of these Glasgows to get one and 'containerize' it.
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Posted by onyxman on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 9:01 PM

Thanks Duke.

The uprights are Evergreen .060 I beam pieces. I cut a load of them to .25 in. and glued them in a line down the deck. The cross pieces are .010 x .030 strips. I didn't cut them to size first, just cut them to a length thats easy to handle. The 'channel' in the I beam positions the bottom of the X. I glued all of them slanting one way, like this /, then all slanting the other way, like this \. Then when the glue was good and dry I nipped the excess off the top.  It was way easier than I thought it was going to be. In fact I started with several rows of supports but realized only the outer ones would be visible, so that's all I did.

Then on top of the supports the deck is just sheet styrene. On the pictures of the real ship it seems to be made of pretty thin metal, so I used .010 in thick sheet.

Some wartime T-2s had spar decks similar to this where they carried big bulky cargo like landing craft and aircraft. That might make an interesting kit bash too.

Here is an "in progress" pic that might show the I beams better. The containers have yet to receive their 'corrugation' .    Thanks again for the interest.

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Posted by Duke Maddog on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:00 PM
This is awesome! I'd like to know more details on how you built the deck those containers are sitting on. I'd like to try this as well.

Great job! Keep those pics coming!
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Posted by onyxman on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:41 AM
 kp80 wrote:

Yep, that the SS James Lykes, a C3 break bulk that was stretched with an additional dedicated container hold.  I sailed on her in '77-'78.

That could be a good project for kit bashing a Revell 'Hawaiian Pilot' C-3. I have a friend who is converting that kit into a Pacific Mail ship he was on as a Third Mate.

Fred

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Posted by kp80 on Monday, February 27, 2006 8:13 PM
 onyxman wrote:

Great! Let's see her when you are done. Is that a C-3 in your avatar?

For a real interesting account of the birth of containerization, (some might say the death of good looking merchant ships) go here:

http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item.jhtml?id=5026&t=leadership

 

Yep, that the SS James Lykes, a C3 break bulk that was stretched with an additional dedicated container hold.  I sailed on her in '77-'78.

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Posted by paulnchamp on Monday, February 27, 2006 6:45 PM
Nice clean build!
Paul "A man's GOT to know his limitations."
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Posted by onyxman on Monday, February 27, 2006 3:11 PM

Thanks again all. Pete, the containers aren't all separate units. The ones on the main deck are two blocks. I cut outlines of the separate boxes with a razor saw. On the foredeck there are 6 separate blocks of wood, which make 2 groups of 4 across and 4 groups of 3 across. Then I just drew pencil lines on the side to suggest the corrugated look of containers.

Building up the spar deck out of styrene strips wasn't as tedious as it looks.

The biggest problem I had with this was getting good reference material. I found only 4 pictures of this ship on the internet. Luckily 2 were in color. I was in the middle of constuction, having applied a lot of educated guesswork, when I came into possession of a treasure trove of old photos. A friend of mine who is a retired SeaLand captain found old company newsletters in his attic. Great. I had to tear up a lot of what I had done because of this new info.

Some of those pictures are going to keep me busy for the next few years!

I'd like to start a model of the S.S. Anchorage, the first cargo ship to call in the Port of Anchorage in the winter. It busted through the ice in 1964. It was a weird looking thing, half T-2, half C-2, with hatches for containers, break bulk hatches, and a jumbo heavy lift boom. I'm thinking a base with ice flows will be cool.

Fred  

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Posted by Jeff Herne on Monday, February 27, 2006 2:44 PM
Good looking model Fred!!

J
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Posted by sumpter250 on Monday, February 27, 2006 2:34 PM

Very nice kit bash ! Installing the raised deck, and building all the containers must have taken ...some...time!

Pete

Lead me not into temptation ..................I can find it myself

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Posted by onyxman on Monday, February 27, 2006 2:13 PM

Great! Let's see her when you are done. Is that a C-3 in your avatar?

For a real interesting account of the birth of containerization, (some might say the death of good looking merchant ships) go here:

http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item.jhtml?id=5026&t=leadership

 

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Posted by kp80 on Monday, February 27, 2006 12:21 PM

Nice Job!  Glad to see a merchie build for a change.  I'm building the UNREP tanker version of the T-2, the Mission Capistrano.

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Posted by onyxman on Monday, February 27, 2006 9:46 AM

I have two more 'Glasgows' in the closet. I might even build one of them as a tanker! T-2s were modified for many of the early 1960s container ships. For such an old mold the kit goes together pretty well. I see three major flaws in the model. It doesn't show the pronounced camber in the decks of the midship house that T-2s had. The engineroom skylight or fidley is oversized, and the area around the stern aperture looks crude. I didn't try to change any of this.

 If you are using PE railings the big job is to hack off the plastic molded-on rails. This takes a little thought as the rails around the main deck are designed to position the deck on the hull. I found the best thing was to cut those rails off with a verticle cut, thus allowing the deck to sit down flush with the edge of the hull. The rails around the superstructure should be cut off horizontally.

Fred

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Posted by Imperator-Rex on Monday, February 27, 2006 8:56 AM
Nice ship and beautiful work! I like the railings, it really enhances the model. I plan to rebuild the Esso Glasgow some time (probably next year) and your pictures give me an idea of the improvements that can be made on this kit. Thanks for sharing your pictures!

Regards,
Chris
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Posted by onyxman on Sunday, February 26, 2006 11:38 AM
Thanks subfixer. Yes, 58 containers wouldn't even be one hatch's worth on a modern box ship.
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Posted by subfixer on Sunday, February 26, 2006 5:21 AM
Great job! Those container ships sure have come a long way.

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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Not gray, no sails. The first containership.
Posted by onyxman on Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:33 PM

I hope you all enjoy this change of pace.

This is my model of the S.S. Ideal X, considered to be the first containership. It was a T-2 tanker with a spar deck for the 58 containers. It sailed from Newark to Houston on the first scheduled run of containerized cargo in 1956. Malcolm McLean, a truck driver who had built up a fleet of trucks had the idea back in the '30s. He bought Pan Atlantic Lines. He later renamed it SeaLand. Here is a picture of the real ship

http://www.t2tanker.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=133&g2_page=2

The model is the Revell Esso Glasgow 1/400 scale with considerable scratch built detail and Tom's 1/400 PE railings. The containers are basswood.

I still need to finish a run of rails on the aft end of the foc'sle. The access to the screw which will attach the model to the base is under the foredeck containers, and I can't finish those rails until that is done.

for some reason this first pic only shows half until you click on it.

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