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Heller Soleil Royal prep work
Posted by Grymm on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 10:42 AM

Okay, I'm just getting into my prep work for the 1/100 Royal.  I must have OCD given how nit-picky I am about prep work.  First up, organize it.  Next up, clean it all.  Now for this, I use a very basic soap-water mix, using a natural soap (available pretty much anywhere).  Water is tepid.  Now, I don't scrub or wipe, just soak.  This is usually enough to get rid of any oil residues.  Then, I let them air dry for a couple of days.

Now, I intend to just work on two things;  cannons and initial hull work.  For the hull I'll be trimming off excess and getting the fit right in order to minimize the putty work.   I have already noticed a slight warp towards the stern, but nothing that can't be worked through.

As for the cannons, I have a couple of thoughts.  Getting them together is nothing special.   Now, historically, the carriages for the cannon were usually red, weren't they?   I've been looking up some references as to the exact color, or if they were left natural.  What is the general consensus on this?  Personally, I prefer the natural wood look, but I'm going for as much accuracy as I can.

Next is the cannons themselves.  From the completed builds I've seen, the cannons on the Royal were not black, but a sort of bronze colour.  I'm assuming this is accurate.  I'm still going to look up some references, and I have an appointment with a Professor here on campus.  My school has a Military History Major available, so I have a lot of material available.  Hopefully the Prof will be able to find the reference material I need.

That's where I'm at right now.  I haven't jumped into it yet.  Probably in the next week or so.  My spring break is coming up, so I'll probably start then.  I'll try to put up some pics tonight so you can watch me butcher this beautiful kit over the next year or so.

As always, comments, tips, hints, tricks, criticizm, call me stupid, whatever you want, are always welcome.

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Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 1:12 PM

Well,

I did not wash my ship with anything when I started mine. I just dove right in. I do like for my work to be nice though.

I did trim the edges of the hull and other parts to clean them up, but I did not want to just spend too much time. I always go by the law of diminishing returns. It gets to the point that the return I get is not enough to justify what I am doing, unless I get some personal satisfaction from it.

I had some bends and warps in my hull. I am certain that I broke all the rules, but I just took my hand and slighly bent (stressed) the pieces to a good fit. Didn't do harm to the plastic and it was just enough bend or flex to fix what I wanted, took about 5 seconds and did the trick. I am sure that some here would think that I am not a good modeler for this, but it turned out well. Now, I do not go around bending plastic pieces to make fit, but this was just a minor problem.

Good luck on yoru ventures of building. I can't wait to see the results and please forward us your research - I am personally interested in this project too !

Thanks

Donnie

 

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Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 1:27 PM

Interesting questions.  To my knowledge the amount of information available about such details on board French warships of the seventeenth century is relatively scarce - compared, say, to British warships of the eighteenth century.  But there is some evidence.

It's pretty well known that it was customary (though by no means universal) during this period to paint the inboard works of warships red.  The traditional explanation for a long time was that the red paint camouflaged blood.  Recent scholarship is more inclined to think that, though that may have been a consideration, lead-based red paint was simply regarded as a good, durable, relatively weather-proof primer. 

At any rate, red usually was applied to the interior surfaces of the bulwarks, the interiors of gunport lids, various pieces of deck furniture (railings, bitts, etc.), and gun carriages.  In general the use of red paint seems to have gotten less common during the latter part of the eighteenth century.  The scholars who've researched the color scheme of H.M.S. Victory, for instance, have concluded that, by 1805, the only parts of her that were painted red were the inner faces of the gunport lids, the edges of the gunports themselves, and the muzzles of the guns.

Gun carriages seem to have been painted red on a pretty regular basis during the early part of the eighteenth century, and probably in the seventeenth as well.  (The researchers studying the Wasa, in Sweden, have found lots of evidence of red paint on her - outboard as well as inboard.  I haven't read whether they've found any red paint fragments on the gun carriages.)  There were, however, no regulations about such things.  I suspect individual ships varied - and the color schemes probably varied over time.  If you painted the gun carriages of the Soleil Royal either red or a brown, to represent oiled wood, I don't think anybody could put up much of an argument.

The red on most old contemporary models I've seen is a bright, glossy shade.  I suspect the model builders were using artists' oil paints, which may or may not have mirrored reality accurately.  Recent research suggests that the real stuff was a dull, flat-finished "red ochre."  So the modern modeler has a choice.  (That's one of the nice things about sailing ship modeling, compared to aircraft or armor modeling.  There are no FS or Munsell numbers to worry about - and nobody can pronounce that your choice of red shade is "wrong.")

The Soleil Royal was built at a time when brass and bronze were still the most popular materials for casting naval guns.  Iron was coming into use, and iron guns eventually would be found on board virtually all British ships and most French ones.  But there's little room for doubt that those beautifully decorated ones in the Heller kit would be brass or bronze.  Here again, there's a good bit of room for personal taste.  The exact shade would be determined by the proportions of copper, tin, and/or zinc (and probably some other metals) in the alloy - and by how old the gun was, and by what sort of maintenance it got.  Just about any metallic color from a yellowish brass to a dark, slightly greenish copper probably could be justified.

(When I first typed this post I was in a hurry, and stupidly swapped the words "bronze" and "brass."  Brass, of course, is an alloy of copper and zinc, while bronze is an alloy of copper and tin.  Sorry about that.  I've edited the post to make the corrections.)

Hope that helps a little.  Good luck.

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Posted by Grymm on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 1:59 PM

I always clean my parts.  I find primer sticks better/smoother.

Good info.  Thanks.   I have found several references to bronze guns.  I'm now looking into the effect of ocean environments on Bronze, to see how the color changes over time.

As for the carriage, I've seen both oiled and red/red wheels.  I'll have to make a judgement call on that.  The interior in red will probably be how I go.

Now, the hull on the Royal is a big question.  I've seen so many interpretations on this.  I know the upper part of the hull, and the stern castle, were a royal blue, with guilded statues/carvings, etc.  But, I've seen black to the waterline, with white below with a yellow ochre inbetween the blue and black.  But, I've seen some artwork that had the entire hull in blue, with the black around the waterline and white below.  Then, everything else was guilded.   I believe this is what I'm going to do.  The "all blue" is absolutely beautiful.

Thanks for the info.  I'm still gathering my research.  I'll be working on the hull/guns for some time to come, so I'll be able to get plenty of pics up.  But, don't laugh at my work area.  I don't have a real nice workshop.  My workshop is the family room and a table.  I'm also pretty messy when it comes to my work area, clutterwise.  So be forewarned.

I'm glad I came here.  Lots of nice people.  I'm looking forward to showing my work as I go.

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Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 4:03 PM

This is my work area. As you can see, it is nothing to go crazy over, but I like it !

 

Enjoy your project

Donnie

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Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 4:05 PM

By the way, I am still waiting for a pic of that box cover  Wink [;)]  Pirate [oX)]

Donnie

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Posted by Donnie on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 11:04 PM
http://www.ancre.fr/manuel17-e.htm

This is a link that I found interesting

Donnie

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Posted by Grymm on Thursday, March 2, 2006 9:39 AM

 Donnie wrote:
http://www.ancre.fr/manuel17-e.htm

This is a link that I found interesting

Donnie

DUDE!  YOU ARE AWESOME!  I was told about this book, but could not find anything about it.  It is supposed to have the most detail about the Royal and her sister ships collected into one work.  Thanks a whole lot.

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Posted by Grymm on Thursday, March 2, 2006 9:40 AM

Starting pics are coming.   Give me 15 minutes.

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Posted by Grymm on Thursday, March 2, 2006 10:23 AM
Okay, quick question.  How do you post pics on here?  I can't find any way to do it.
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Posted by Donnie on Thursday, March 2, 2006 11:43 AM

OK, I will tackle this one for Grymm

I already have instructions written up on an email that I sent to someone here as a matter of fact, but I need your personal email address so that I can send you these instructions. I will send you a private message of my personal email.

To anyone esle that wants these instructions, just PM me with your address so that I can send them to you.

 

Donnie

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Posted by Grymm on Thursday, March 2, 2006 12:29 PM

Sent you my personal addy a few moments ago.   I have a couple of pics ready to go.  Would have had more, but my cats decided to overturn a plant downstairs.  I had to clean it up.   Anyway, it's only a pic of the box and contents.   I'll probably get into some serious work next week, which is my spring break.  Right now, I've got an accounting test to get ready for...

Thanks for all the help.  I only hope my progress on the model is found to be something more than "amatuer"

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Posted by Donnie on Thursday, March 2, 2006 1:52 PM

Geee -

I wish I could have a spring break - thats not fair Wink [;)] !!!!!!

At any rate, its your ship - no one here that I know of to criticize your work. I know I won't. I am sure that your model will look fine. We are all just layed back. I like to relax and enjoy each others company !

Hey, there are people that run circles around what I do - but that encourages me alot and find inspiration and education to see what people do. The main thing Grymm is that we are at all levels of skill and workmanship. No one here is trying to outdo or out perform anybody.  I am eager to see how your ship is going to build out. As I said, I am interested in this ship too, but you know, I am wondering if it might be too large of a project for me. I like to spend about 3 months on one project and move on to the next. I know that many people here are working on several models at the same time. All I can say is that they have more energy than I do !!! Laugh [(-D]

I used to be a perfectionist, but I realized that it was taking away from my enjoyment of things rather than adding to it. Perfection is in the eye of the beholder anyway.

Anyway - time for me to get back to other things -

Donnie

 

 

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Posted by Grymm on Thursday, March 2, 2006 2:18 PM

Well, from the 2300 pieces, even at 8 hours a day, this model wouldn't be done in 3 months.  I'm giving myself at least a year, if not more.  I've met people online who have built this model.  The smallest amount of time I've seen was 2 years.  Now, these people have taken breaks from the model, but it is a daunting undertaking.   If you want a Heller kit that is exquisite and won't take quite as long to do, and be less expensive, would be the Galley La Reale.

I'll try to get pics up tonight.  Gotta get to work.

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Posted by Donnie on Thursday, March 2, 2006 2:33 PM

Oh, I can understand the magnitude of such of a project. You are correct in saying that it will not be done in 3 months. I am sure of that. My small Wappen Von Hamburg (of which I do not know how many parts) is taking me a while.

I can only imagine how long it would take (or take me) to do this model. I could not imagine embracing a build for a year. But, then again, I might challenge myself with it in the future.

Donnie

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Posted by Grymm on Thursday, March 2, 2006 7:13 PM

Okay, I'm trying the photo "thing".  I hope this works.  

Here's the box for the Soleil Royal

And the very intimidating contents

All in all, this is going to be an exciting build.   But, I'm not much on the "mod" thing, so this is a straight-from-the-box build, unless I absolutely have to do some mods.   I will try to use the deadeyes that come with the kit, and go for aftermarket if it proves too difficult.

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Posted by Donnie on Thursday, March 2, 2006 8:48 PM
That is great ! What is your impression of the instructions - are the instructions mixed language? Easy to understand? just curious.
What about the rigging instructions?

The rigging insructions for my Wappen Von Hamburg are lacking and someone that has no experience at all must assume alot. But, since I have one of these under my belt, I feel confident on my WVH project.

I am glad that someone is taking the Le Soleil Royal on - I am hoping that soon this one will be in my line up to build too !

Donnie

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Posted by Grymm on Friday, March 3, 2006 8:26 AM

Well, the instructions are....okay.  They are very nicely illustrated.  But, they are in French, with a very loose English translation in the back.  So I find myself going back and forth between pages.  This isn't so bad.  Much of the work is easy to understand from the illustration.   But some of it absolutely requires looking up the translation. 

Now the rigging is another story.  Each line is identified by a number.  Then, on the next page, or even two or three pages later, you have to find that number to get exactly where the line goes.  Unfortunately, IMHO, Heller had no choice but to do it this way do to the sheer volume of rigging on her.   Plus, Heller only included 2 sizes of "thread" in the kit.   I will be going to my local Hobby Lobby to get about 9 different sizes of nylon line, which will more than likely have to be stained.   For some of the thicker standing rigging, I will more than likely have to make my own thick lines.  Not a big deal really.  I already know how to do this from my military days, I'll just be doing it on a smaller scale.  After really looking at the deadeyes, I may go ahead and pick up some aftermarket wood ones.  There are no grooves on some of the kit included pieces, meaning the string could continually slide off the edges of some of them.  Don't get me wrong.  I am actually impressed by the kit, unlike some other people, but I know that there is not a kit out there that is truly "perfect."  I'll be picking up some (3 to be exact) books on rigging, from Rigging Period Ship Models, to a couple of works detailing actual ship rigging.

I can't wait to get started, and I must say I'm also a little intimidated by it.  It will take a long time.  I will be working on the cannons for weeks, though I'll be using my airbrush for a lot of the work, while the pieces are still on the sprue.  But, I have to get my airbrush fixed.  It's a bottom of the line basic airbrush.  I haven't gotten around to talking my wife into letting me get one of the good ones.  I'll do preliminary work (sanding, cutting flash, priming) on the hull at the same time.  I don't have any kind of standing clamp for clamping the hull upright, so I'll have to pick one up.  I've always been a very basic modeller, so I never had a lot of the equipment that makes modelling easier.

Donnie, thanks for all the motivational support.  It really helps and I look forward to many more days of comparing notes and getting suggestions from you.  And make sure you post picks when you get the rigging going on the Wappen Von Hamburg.  I want to see how other people do smaller scale rigging.

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Posted by Grymm on Friday, March 3, 2006 8:58 AM
Well, it's time for my stats class.  "yawn"...9 in the morning and I'm already beat.  Donnie, if you're around, I'll be back on in about an hour.  I'm CST, if that helps.   And do get some more pics of your current build up, I can't wait to see the work.  I admire what you did with the woodgrain on the hull.  I'll be doing that with the deck on the Royal...
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Posted by jtilley on Friday, March 3, 2006 12:00 PM

Those pictures are quite an exercise in nostalgia - with some exceptions.  If I remember correctly (by no means to be taken for granted), the Soleil Royal I bought (back in the seventies) was molded in only two colors:  black and grey.  (Plus, of course, the horrid white vac-formed "sails," which I didn't bother bringing home from the hobby shop.)  Those multiple, bright colors can make painting a little easier - if they're chosen intelligently.  I think the Heller Victory  I reviewed had bright yellow hull halves (ok) and a bright red rudder (whaaa?). 

The English "translation" of the Heller instructions, unless they've changed it (which I doubt), is a scandal.  The person who wrote it apparently didn't understand French and hadn't tried to build the model.  (The first clue:  he/she apparently thought "le mat de misaine" was the mizzenmast.  "Le mat de misaine" is in fact the foremast.  The mizzenmast is "le mat d'artimon."  Things went downhill from there.)  I think you'll find that, for any reasonably experienced modeler, the pictures and the numbers on the French instructions are adequate - until you get to the rigging.  There the Heller instructions are hopeless, because the people who wrote them didn't understand how rigging works - in any language.  Fortunately, though, Dr. Anderson's The Rigging of Ships in the Days of the Spritsail Topmast is just about ideal for the purpose.  It literally explains every line of the rigging, offers tips (vintage 1920s, admittedly) on how to rig that line on the model, and includes hundreds of diagrams.

I don't blame Heller for its failure to include workable blocks and deadeyes.  Styrene has to be cast in rigid molds, and a rigid, two-piece mold cannot produce an object with a hole in it and a groove around it.  But the aftermarket companies (my favorite is Bluejacket) are waiting to come to the rescue.  Unfortunately their products don't come cheap - but, as I noted earlier, there's no need to buy the huge total number of blocks and deadeyes at the same time.

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Posted by Grymm on Friday, March 3, 2006 12:44 PM

I was told about the two color from a friend of mine, who also noted the color changes.  But, I'm not really fond of it.  It makes the assumption of the color that the ship should be painted, which, of course, I'm not going to do.  I will be painting the entire hull blue, except for just above the waterline, which will be black.  At and below the waterline, It will be white.  Everything else (stern castle, wales) will be guilded.  I find this representation to be very pleasing to the eye and draws the eye to points of detail.

I agree on the instructions.  You only really need the diagrams for construction.  Where I'm going to need some references, as you have pointed out, is on the rigging.  The diagrams provided make it out to be a whole heck of a lot harder than I believe it actually is.  It will be time consuming, but it won't be too difficult, given the proper references.  Standing rigging will be fairly straight forward.  Running rigging will be a challenge.

The blocks provided in the model shouldn't be much of a problem.  Looking them over, they will suffice.  But the deadeyes I will probably replace, and if I can find adequate replacements, I will change out the "pointey" belaying pins.  The kit provided pins look downright strange.  So my question would be, what size do I order for a 1/100 scale ship?  I'm not a math major, so I'm not big on calculating appropriate sizes.

The other issue I need to address are the yards.  There's no way to connect them to their appropriate mast.  Only the rigging is there to literally "hang" them in place.  I need to come up with a way to "mount" them that will look like it's supposed to be part of the model.  Otherwise, it will be difficult getting everything rigged.

One final thing.  You'll need to forgive me, but I'm not very knowleagable on the correct "nautical name" of all the parts of a ship, so if anyone answers a question for me, please, for now at least, put it in terms an idiot like me can understand.  After a while, I'll get down all the lingo.

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Posted by jtilley on Friday, March 3, 2006 1:45 PM

Regarding blocks - take a good look at the ones in the kit.  My memory isn't great, but as I recall the Heller blocks have, instead of grooves around them, tiny little "pips" that are supposed to hold the thread in place.  I tried that once or twice, and couldn't get it to work.  I then started filing grooves around them, quickly concluded that my limited time on the Orb would be better spent, and ordered replacements from Bluejacket.  I may have this kit mixed up with some other one.  But my guess is that if you compare a Heller block to a Bluejacket one you'll have second thoughts about using the Heller ones for anything other than community recycling.   

Regarding belaying pins - I can't make a recommendation without taking measurements of the model.  My guess is that 1/4" would be about the maximum length that wouldn't look out of scale.  (That's a little over 2' on the scale.  Pretty big for a belaying pin.  Shorter would be better.)  In any case, replacing the plastic belaying pins is an excellent idea.  Styrene is wonderful stuff, but not for all purposes.  Unless one enjoys the sound of breaking plastic, brass belaying pins are far preferable.

Regarding the attachment of the yards to the masts - you're quite right:  the yards need to be firmly connected to the masts fairly early in the rigging process.  Doing it to scale isn't really complicated, but it's kind of hard to describe without diagrams.  In the seventeenth century the normal device used for the purpose was called a parrel (or parral).  It was a simple assembly of wood balls and boards with holes in them that, when assembled with a couple of pieces of rope, formed a sort of primitive roller-bearing arrangement.  Dr. Anderson's book explains and illustrates how it worked.  A parrel assembly can be made out of strip styrene (or wood) and glass (or wood) beads, in a few minutes.  In fact, it's the sort of thing that would  lend itself to reproduction in molded plastic.  Heller's resources would have been put to far better use in yard parrels than in blocks, deadeyes, or those ridiculous "jigs" for rigging ratlines.

Hope that helps a little.  I strongly recommend the Anderson book.  It will make spars and rigging cease to be mysterious.

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Posted by Grymm on Friday, March 3, 2006 3:12 PM

Hmmm.  Good call.  I'll check Bluejacket.  I take it they're on the web?  So, for scale, what size blocks and deadeyes am I looking for? 

As for attaching the yards.  I think I see what you're talking about.  So, the assembly of balls/boards would then be lashed to the Mast or lashed to the yard?  I would assume the Yard, in order to better hold it in place.  I'll look it up on the web.  And I'll check into that book also.  It will go well with my now growing collection.

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Posted by Donnie on Friday, March 3, 2006 9:03 PM

One thing to think strongly about is sails. Do you want sails or not?  I like building mine without, b/c it reveals alot of the beauty of the rigging. The sails do look good too, but I am only letting you know what I like - If you go with NO sails, then your yards are going to be in a different position on the mast.

I used gift wrapping tissue paper to make my sails furled. I have some pics that show the progress. If you have any questions about my furled sails. I will be glad to help. I am not the sail expert, but I do like the way mine turned out.

see my build of the Jolly Roger or "some"  have referred to this as "la Flore" - (La Flore name is still in debate)

http://www.finescale.com/FSM/CS/forums/560730/ShowPost.aspx

 

Donnie

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Posted by Donnie on Friday, March 3, 2006 10:44 PM

Did you know about this?

http://www.all-model.com/Campbell/5.html

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Posted by jtilley on Saturday, March 4, 2006 12:15 AM

The site to which Donnie's referred us appears to me no less than the complete text of George Campbell's The Neophyte Shipmodeler's Jackstay.  What a find!  The original was published back in the 1950s by Model Shipways; it was intended as a guide for building that company's solid-hull wood kits.  That being the case, some of the techniques in it are dated (such things as styrene sheet, acrylic hobby paints, and CA adhesives didn't exist in those days) and of limited value to plastic kit builders.  But the information about the construction and evolution of ships - especially rigging - is just as valid as ever.  My suggestion to any newcomer:  print out the whole thing and study it till you're cross-eyed.  If you learn everything in that book you'll have made a big step toward becoming a knowledgeable ship modeler.

Regarding Bluejacket blocks - the website is www.bluejacketinc.com .  The question to the question about block and deadeye sizes, unfortunately, is hard to answer.  I suspect the deadeyes in the Heller kit are about the right size; if you match them with Bluejacket parts you'll  be on the right track.  The number and sizes of blocks will vary according to a number of factors.  Several decisions need to be made in rigging a ship model.  The rigging of a real seventeenth-century ship-of-the-line, ready for sea, would include well over a thousand blocks in over a dozen different sizes.  When you start reading up on how rigging works, though, you'll see that a lot of those lines are optional.  Many modelers start out with the basic running rigging - lifts, halyards, and braces on the square sails, and some of the basic gear attached to the lateen mizzen yard.  That's the gear that's necessary to keep the spars lined up, and what would be seen on a ship that had been at anchor or tied up to a pier for some time.  The sails require a huge number of additional lines - sheets, tacks, clewlines, leechlines, buntlines, bowlines, etc., etc.  How much of that gear to include on a model is really up to the original modeler.

In any case, to rig a model like that requires lots of blocks in lots of sizes.  If I remember correctly (caveat:  there's a good chance that I don't) even the smallest blocks in the Heller kit are on the large side.  My suggestion:  (1) Don't worry about blocks at all for several months.  You're a long way from needing them.  (2) When the time does come, read up on the subject (the Anderson book gives a good idea of how to figure out block sizes) and order a dozen each of several sizes.  Bluejacket gives good mail order service; waiting for merchandise won't slow you down much.  (3) Figure out how much rigging you really want to put on the model (you can always add more later), make up a list of the blocks you'll need, add 5% or 10% to cover emergencies (e.g., block-eating carpets), and order as many as you think you'll use up in a month or so.  A complete outfit of deadeyes and blocks for a model like that will cost several hundred dollars, but there's no reason whatever to spend it all at once.

The golden rule about rigging line also applies to blocks:  if in doubt as to size, err on the small side.

Regarding parrels - the answer to the question becomes obvious when you realize that a yard, in addition to swinging around the mast (to receive the wind), has to slide up and down the mast.   It's a point that lots of newcomers miss - but a crucial one.  In a typical seventeenth-century ship, the lower yards are the only ones that stay at the same height all the time.  (In later centuries the lowest yard on each mast was fixed in position vertically more-or-less permanently. The lower yards in most seventeenth-century vessels had parrels like the upper ones, but the lower yards would normally be kept in their raised positions unless the topmasts were struck.)  The topsail and topgallant yards move up and down when the sails are set and furled.  To look right in the eyes of a knowledgeable observer, the yards of a model should only be in the raised positions if the sails are set.  The parrel assembly is fastened to the yard, providing the means by which, with a mimimum of friction, the yard can swing around the mast and slide up and down it. 

You can get the idea from the photos of the kit in one of your earlier posts in this thread.  In the boxtop painting the sails are furled and the yards are lowered.  In the side view drawing on the cover of the instruction booklet, visible in the second photo, the sails are set and the yards are raised.

Regarding sails - few subjects are more likely to start an argument among ship modelers.  I personally happen to agree with Donnie:  I like the look of a model with furled sails.  We've had a good, ongoing discussion of the subject here in the Forum; here's the link:  http://www.finescale.com/FSM/CS/forums/350911/ShowPost.aspx

That thread contains quite a few thoughts on the pros and cons of set sails, furled sails, and no sails; please take everybody's opinions in the context of everybody else's.  I will say this much, though.  Ship modelers don't agree about many things, but the one that may get the least argument is:  vac-formed plastic sails, by definition, look like hCensored [censored]l.  I don't think I've ever encountered anybody who didn't think those things belonged in the trash.  Beyond that, there's plenty of room for discussion and personal taste.  My suggestion is to think about it over the next few months.  You' won't need to make any decisions about sails for quite a while.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by Chuck Fan on Saturday, March 4, 2006 3:59 AM
I started out using Blue Jacket's metal deadeyes within molded in strops.  When these didn't look right, I switched to blue jacket metal stropless deadeyes.   When at last I found I could not make the strops consistently enough to make the chains look even and regular, I found Model Shipways provide nice wooden deadeyes with prefabricated snap on strops and even chains.    These have worked superbly.   But they are expensive at $2 per packs of 4.  I needed 14 packs just for the channels.

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Posted by Chuck Fan on Sunday, March 5, 2006 12:55 AM
BTW, The 4 anchors supplied by Heller for the S/R are the round crown variety, where the two arms of the anchor between the two flukes forms a continuous, smooth partial circle.   This type of anchor were used in French ships of American revolutionary war and Napoleonic war era, but I doubt it is appropriate for the Soleil Royal.    Most references I see says prior to about 1730, the French used the same pointed crown anchors which the British would use all the way through the napoleonic wars. 
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