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just out of curiosity ?
Posted by uspsjuan on Sunday, March 5, 2006 8:41 PM
what is and who makes the largest (physical deminsions)full kit (no scratch building) currently available.I am tired of all these tiny pieces. who's the #$%^&* *#$&@ that came up with 1/700?Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by therriman on Sunday, March 5, 2006 9:18 PM
I can't answer that. But I will say that is why I prefer 1/350 or larger.
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Posted by ikar01 on Sunday, March 5, 2006 10:04 PM
I remember a Japanese company making a model of the Yamato in 1/200.  Would that be big enough?

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Posted by Chuck Fan on Monday, March 6, 2006 1:44 AM
The big Heller sailing ship kits are technically larger in that 2 of their 3 dimensions are considerably larger than the 1/200 Yamato.

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Posted by EPinniger on Monday, March 6, 2006 4:16 AM
Glad to see another large-scale fan :) - I feel rather out of place on the modelwarships.com forums with all the 1/700 modellers, there don't even seem to be many 1/350-1/400 fans out there.

AFAIK there are three really large (non-sail) surface warship models available as mainstream injection-moulded kits. The 1/200 Yamato/Musashi has already been mentioned, the other two are the Matchbox/Revell 1/72 Flower-class corvette and the Lindberg 1/125 Fletcher-class destroyer (aka "Blue Devil"). Both of these are around 3ft long.
(I've also heard that Doyusha made a Yamato/Musashi and Shokaku (carrier w/Yamato-class hull) in 1/250, but I've never seen any of these.)

The latter is infamous among ship modellers, as you said "no scratchbuilding" this kit isn't really an option as it needs a LOT of scratchbuilding work and superdetailing to produce a decent model (ask Jeff Herne...)

The former (Flower-class) is much better than the Blue Devil in terms of accuracy and moulding quality, but the smaller parts such as armaments and fittings are -very- lacking in detail. I'm currently building this kit and have put a lot of work into improving it with scratchbuilt styrene and metal parts.
IMHO this kit really needs superdetailing work (either scratchbuilt, or aftermarket parts from "Great Little Ships") but built OOB it is still a nice model of an unusual subject.

If you want a big, large-scale naval model which doesn't require scratchbuilding or aftermarket to produce a detailed, accurate result, your best option is probably the Revell 1/72 Type VII U-boat (or the Gato-class when it's released later this year). Both of these are also around 3ft long, submarines may not be your area of interest however!

There are also quite a few kits of torpedo boats in 1/72 scale (most of which are still widely available in shops and online) and a surprisingly large range of WW2 and modern warship kits in everything from 1/125 to 1/225 from Lindberg, Nichimo, Pyro etc. Many of the latter are out of production and hard to find even on eBay however.
(Look through Rajen's Ship Kit List - http://www.quuxuum.org/rajens_list/rajen.html)
Ones still reasonably easy to find are the Lindberg LCT and LST landing craft, Glencoe 1/225 USS Oregon (predreadnought) and Nichimo 1/200 Japanese WW2 destroyers.

These aren't particularly big as regards physical size (though larger than virtually everything in 1/700) but the large scale makes them easier to work with (especially regarding scratchbuilding and PE).

Large-scale models can be at least as intricate and tricky to build as 1/700 if you start adding scratchbuilt or aftermarket detail (the main components and fittings are larger, but they have lots of tiny parts which are at least as small as 1/700) but IMHO the greater level of detail makes the finished result more interesting.

EDIT: Also forgot to mention the Trumpeter 1/200 kits. There's quite a wide range of these,
the kits aren't bad, are good value, and widely available in both the US and Europe, though the subjects (modern Chinese warships) probably won't appeal to a great number of modellers outside China. One of the kits is actually a WW2 Soviet
destroyer and can be converted to its original configuration without too much trouble.

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Posted by oz1998 on Monday, March 6, 2006 7:12 AM

Well, speaking strictly about steel ships, I agree with the others that the clear winner in the "size matters" catagory is the Nichimo 1/200 Yamato/Musashi/Shinano kits. If you have the room to display a 51" ship model and the $350 or so to dish out, then you're all set. However, the Nichimo kits are not known for their detail and you will end up adding a considerable amount of scratchbuilt detailing to bring it up to contest standards.

IMHO, the best combination of size and detailing is any of the 1/350 Tamiya and the newer Trumpeter kits. With any of their carrier and battleship kits, you'll end up with a 27" - 30" model with a great amount of detail if you add a few scratchbuilt features here and there and add a good PE kit.

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Posted by Lufbery on Monday, March 6, 2006 8:47 AM
What about the Revell 1/400 Queen Mary II? I saw the box at my local hobby shop the other day, and it was huge.

Here's a review:

http://www.modelingmadness.com/reviews/misc/ships/robertoqm2.htm

Or were you just looking for military ships?

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-Drew

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Posted by uspsjuan on Monday, March 6, 2006 5:41 PM
the sound of a 1/200 yamato sounds quite appealling. any more info anyone can provide would be helpful. thanks in advance
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Posted by uspsjuan on Monday, March 6, 2006 5:43 PM
oop's missed that post OZ, need to slow down. what about availabilty?
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Posted by CG Bob on Monday, March 6, 2006 5:56 PM
The Revell GATO class will be 52 inches long.  Check Harbor Models or Loyalhanna Dockyard for the Dean's Marine line of kits.  Dean's Marine has a 1/96 scale model of HMS DREADNAUGHT that measures 65" loa and 10.5" beam; be prepared for sticker shock, cause it ain't cheap. 
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Posted by uspsjuan on Monday, March 6, 2006 7:34 PM
thanks for the heads-up Bob
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Posted by oz1998 on Monday, March 6, 2006 8:59 PM

 uspsjuan wrote:
oop's missed that post OZ, need to slow down. what about availabilty?

You can still find the Nichimo 1/200 Yamato at Internet Hobbies. http://www.internethobbies.com/internethobbies/1200scaleships.html

Or you can try a search on eBay and maybe get it for bit cheaper.

If you get one, be sure to post some pics. Big Smile [:D]

Ted

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 6, 2006 9:18 PM
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Posted by samreichart on Monday, March 6, 2006 9:46 PM

...there's always the 1/35 scale Type VII waterline from Accurate Armour,  the 1/35 scale full Type VII from Andeas, the 1/35 scale waterline of the Type XXIII from Accurate Armour... if you like submarines (and expensive models).

 

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Posted by uspsjuan on Monday, March 6, 2006 10:28 PM
sorry Sam but those resin kits are just a bit out of my reach, but thanks for the info everyone
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Posted by rcboater on Tuesday, March 7, 2006 7:06 AM

Other large models:

Lindberg makes an 80 foot Elco PT Boat in 1/32 scale.  Italeri has announced, for 2006, the same boat in 1/35 scale.  The Lindberg kit is about as detailed as their other kits-- the Italeri kit is bound to be a lot better.

Trumpeter and Italeri both have LCM(3) kits in 1/35 scale, too.

 

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Posted by CG Bob on Tuesday, March 7, 2006 8:27 AM
The Lindberg PT 109 has been out of production for a while, some shops may have one in stock The Lindberg PT 109 is an early war version of the 80' boat; and is a generic version.  The Italeri kit is of a mid or late war 80' Elco boat.  There were changes made to the deck layout of the 80' boat during the war.  The early war versions had steel torpedo tubes, 20mm gun aft, the starboard 50 gun tub was near the front of the cockpit.  Mid war boats started getiing the roll off racks for the Mk. 13 aerial drop torpedo, and the starboard 50 gun tub was moved aft about 3 feet.  Late war versions had both 50 gun tubs angled about 10 degrees forward to provide a beter arc of fire for the gunners.
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Posted by oz1998 on Thursday, March 9, 2006 3:40 PM

I forgot to mention that Steve Nuttal makes brass barrels for that Nichimo 1/200 Yamato. Now, theres a great start to detailing that ole' Nichimo kit. Big Smile [:D] Those barrels are beautiful, especially in that scale. My next battleship project will have them.

Ted

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