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Monitor turret
Posted by jtilley on Thursday, March 9, 2006 7:14 AM

I picked up a tidbit of information yesterday that may be of interest to anybody building a model of the U.S.S. Monitor. 

As anybody who's ever studied the Monitor seriously knows, there's always been some doubt about what the top of the turret looked like.  None of the Civil War-vintage photos was taken from a high enough angle to show it, and none of the contemporary plans has clear details of it.  When the ship sank she rolled over, the turret fell off, and the hull landed on top of it.  The photos of the wreck lying on the bottom off Cape Hatteras showed the turret from the bottom, sticking out from under the hull.  Until recently, nobody could see the turret roof.  Some people thought it was covered with iron plates, like the deck; others thought it consisted of some sort of wood or iron grating, so the smoke from the guns could escape.  It obviously was covered with something; in at least one of the old photos, somebody is standing on top of the turret.  But every model of the Monitor treats the turret top differently.

Yesterday my friend and colleague Brad Rodgers and I were looking at a photo in the March National Geographic, showing one of the big Dahlgren guns being hoisted out of the Monitor's turret. Brad's field of expertise is conservation of maritime artifacts; he's been involved for years with the turret, which is now undergoing conservation at the Mariners' Museum.  Over the past year or two, since the turret was brought up, I'd asked him several times what the top looked like.  He always rolled his eyes and explained that the thing was still upside down, and so full of mud and other crud that it was physically impossible to tell anything about the roof.  But that picture in the NG makes it pretty clear.

Though the caption on the Geographic photo didn't clarify this point, the turret is still sitting upside down (or was when the picture was taken).  The photo shows the big gun being hoisted out through the bottom.  The conservators have, however, done an amazing job of cleaning out the interior, and they've reached the roof.  It consists of an open iron grating, made like a grid with square openings.  If you look carefully at the Geographic picture you can see several sections of the grating.

I'm not clear on several details; I don't know, for instance, whether there were any hatches or other large openings in the grating.  I imagine it won't be much longer before the conservators flip the turret over, so we can see for sure (assuming all the key features are still there - as I suspect they are).  In the mean time, though, at least we know it wasn't plated. 

I haven't looked at all the Monitor kits on the market, but if memory serves the wood one from Bluejacket got the turret roof about right.  Verlinden's resin kit comes close; as I recall it shows the turret as having an open top, and provides a separate resin cover that looks like widely-spaced slats of some sort.  It wouldn't be hard to replace that part with a piece of photo-etched grating of the right mesh.

For a ship with such a seemingly simple shape, the Monitor sure has revealed a lot of interesting stuff.  And the more we find out about her, the more interesting she looks as a subject for a model.

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Posted by EdGrune on Thursday, March 9, 2006 8:10 AM

Using your calibrated eyeball, what is the size of the mesh?  I mean is it something on the order of 2 inch straps with a 6 inch opening?  Larger/smaller?

What department are you in at ECU?   I did postgrad in Biology at ECU back in the mid-70s.   Dr  Charles O'Rear was my advisor.  I worked on some of his stream channelization projects, doing fish population studies.   I was also one of the lab rats and taught freshman Biology lab.

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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, March 9, 2006 2:28 PM

That shot in the National Geographic doesn't help much, but my guess would be that the openings in the grating are between four and six inches square.  If I were building a model of the Monitor I'd wait till that turret gets turned over and we can look at some shots from overhead.  I suspect a number of features - hatches, sockets for awning stanchions, and probably some stuff we haven't thought about - will become obvious then.

I'm in the ECU Dept. of History, teaching U.S. history survey courses, American military history, museum studies, and historic preservation (i.e., preservation of old buildings).  Been here since 1983.  I don't recall encountering Dr. O'Rear - but this is a big place.  His time and mine may have overlapped for a few years.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 13, 2006 10:43 AM

Morning, Dr. Tilley. Timing could not have been better.  I've just spent a good part of the weekend at Mariners' for the "Battle of Hampton Roads Weekend" event.  The Monitor's turret is, indeed upside down and will remain so for the foreseeable future as the laborious conservation project proceeds at its slow pace.  (Have you heard about the "sub-critical fluids" process? I think Clemson and ODU are involved.)  The turret is sitting in its tank on piers about 3 or 4 feet high and access to the roof of the turret is not that difficult. The top is a crisscross of beams.  The main support beams (three, I think) are 4" to 6" wrought iron, continuous across the top, and they are met at 90 degrees by sub-beams of railroad iron which are further crossed with smaller irons (sort of like carlings) forming the appearance of a grid.  The spacing is pretty close.  A fork found lying between the cross pieces had a space of less than an inch on either end.  So six or seven inch spacing seems about right.  So, starting from the inside of the "roof" working out, we have the main beams of support (4 to 6-inch iron) then the cross beams of iron then, parallel to the main beams the "filler" (for lack of a better word) irons forming a pretty tight network.  Atop all of this is a covering comprising 4' by 6' metal plate quite thin (1/2 inch or less) perforated with holes in ten rows of 20 holes per plate probably 3/4 inch in diameter approximately (corrosion still covers most details).  The top is accessed via two rectangular hatches near the outer circumference and 180 degrees from each other.  Sockets are fixed on the circumference to accept the stanchions which supported a canvas awning.  It is believed that the holes in the top plate would not have been sufficient to vent the smoke from the 11" Dahlgren cannons so the hatches may have been open during the firing of these 9-ton guns.  More excavation will take place this week and as I find more info I'll pass it on.  Very soon, needless to say, we'll have some good photos of the top but it will, as I said earlier, be upside-down for some time to come.  Thanks to the curators, particularly David Krop and, of course, Jeff Johnson for the details.

Best,

Ron 

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Posted by jtilley on Monday, March 13, 2006 11:09 AM

Fascinating stuff.  I've long contended that, from the model builder's standpoint, the most interesting details of a ship are often the least expected ones - and that whenever the model builder makes what seems to be a reasonable inference to fill in a gap in the available information, there's an excellent chance that the model builder will be wrong.   

I'd seen the roof of the Monitor's turret represented as flat, solid plating, an uninterupted iron grating, plates with hatches, and grating with hatches.  It sounds like a correct depiction would have plates with rows of tiny round holes in them and two hatches.  I don't think I've come across any depiction of the Monitor - model, drawing, painting, or otherwise - that shows that configuration for the turret roof. 

I imagine it won't be long before the people responsible for the project prepare some new, updated drawings of the turret.  I hope those drawings, rather than being buried in some unpublished research report, are made available in some form that's accessible to modelers and other enthusiasts. 

And I hope the people at Bluejacket and Verlinden are keeping up with this story.  This revelation has established that their kits are wrong - in terms of a small but highly prominent detail.  Both those companies are pretty conscientious; maybe they'll modify their turret roof castings.  That shouldn't really be too difficult.

 

 

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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Monday, March 13, 2006 2:20 PM
May I ask a dumb question sirs?
 
If they brought up her turret in one piece - couldn't they bring up the rest of her?  For History's sake that is.  And before someone jumps down my throat for proposing something that may be considered to be foolish by other - wiser men than me - my college degree (Central Connecticut State University, Class of 1983) is in Archaeology. 
 
I'm just wondering.
 
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Posted by devinj on Monday, March 13, 2006 3:02 PM
 PTConsultingNHR wrote:
May I ask a dumb question sirs?
 
If they brought up her turret in one piece - couldn't they bring up the rest of her? 
 
My understanding is that the rest of the ship has degraded so much as to be paper thin in some areas.  Years in salt water and a few depth charge attacks have taken a toll.  I've always heard that any attempt to bring the hull to the surface would destroy it. 
 
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Posted by T_Terrific on Monday, March 13, 2006 3:50 PM
 devinj wrote:
 PTConsultingNHR wrote:
May I ask a dumb question sirs?
 
If they brought up her turret in one piece - couldn't they bring up the rest of her? 
 
My understanding is that the rest of the ship has degraded so much as to be paper thin in some areas.  Years in salt water and a few depth charge attacks have taken a toll.  I've always heard that any attempt to bring the hull to the surface would destroy it. 
 
-Devin

Not only that, the lower decking connecting the lower hull to the bottom of the superstructure was made entirely from wood. Sorta rots away.

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Posted by mfsob on Monday, March 13, 2006 8:44 PM
It never ceases to amaze me that no matter how "famous" a ship or plane or car might be, when you try to get ALL the definitive information, it is never in one place. They really, really need to put someone in charge of that job - Assembler of All Relevant Information for Any Subject Likely to be Modeled.
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Posted by ddp59 on Monday, March 13, 2006 11:29 PM
ok, you have the job of doing that!!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 2:08 PM

Well, it helps to be able to drive about three miles and get into the tank with the Monitor's turret and the conservators but here's the scoop. Dr. Tilley and Devin are right; the iron ship, after 140+ years on the bottom, is deteriorating rapidly, it's upside down, it's unstable, it's been stripped of some of its heavy armor belt to gain access to the turret, in other words, it's a mess.  It can't be brought up intact because any technique we have or can imagine would destroy it in bringing it up.  The hull is of iron top to bottom.  Deck, iron.  Turret, iron.  Some wood inside and, for all we know, possibly some wood outside, but I believe you may have confused it with the Virginia, originally the Merrimac, a wood vessel turned into an ironclad by the Confederates.  The Monitor was conceived, designed and built to be an iron ship from the start.  Wood is internal (decking inside the turret, for instance) and maybe some external (around the perimeter of the main deck) but not, to our present knowledge, structural.  Noting that, caution must always be exercised in these pronouncements.  The more we know the more we lack knowing.  As we dig into the rust and concretions we will surely find more surprises but for the moment, that's what we know.

Best,

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 2:55 PM
 jtilley wrote:

In the mean time, though, at least we know it wasn't plated. 

How do we know that?  We know there was grating -- does that necessarily mean there wasn't also a plate on top?

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Posted by T_Terrific on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:11 PM
 Ron Mariner wrote:

 Some wood inside and, for all we know, possibly some wood outside, but I believe you may have confused it with the Virginia, originally the Merrimac, a wood vessel turned into an ironclad by the Confederates.  The Monitor was conceived, designed and built to be an iron ship from the start.  Wood is internal (decking inside the turret, for instance) and maybe some external (around the perimeter of the main deck) but not, to our present knowledge, structural...

Ron 

No Ron, I am not confused at all.

See the following link:

http://www.klaus-kramer.de/Schiff/Panzerschiffe/MONITOR&MERRIMAC/L02518083.jpg

In this you will see a very detailed cross-sectioned detail drawing of the upper deck, sides and lower hull fit, and if you study it closely, you will see that between the upper decking, (which was iron-cladded as well as the superstructure sides); and the lower main hull, which was iron, is a totally lumber-filled structure, not hollow iron structure with cross-braces, etc.

That would leave a very large gap when rotted away, including no structural support for the iron-cladding deck or the sides.

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Posted by Jeff Herne on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:32 PM
The Klaus Kramer drawings have come under all sorts of scrutiny as to their accuracy. Most are artist's renderings of the Monitor. Of particular interest is the plate of Monitor's turret interior. The top shows not corss-hatched grating (as proven), but parallel lengths of slating with no cross-bracing.

Sure, wood was integrated with the hull, that's proven. But wooden frames of ships that are older still remain, and those aren't covered or encased with iron plate.

As for the Monitor being a wooden structure covered with iron (aka Virginia), a detailed look at plans reveal that although wood was used to partition compartments, the structural innards of the ship were iron.

And regardless of what kind of degree you have, I tend to believe the fellas that are onsite and actually working on her before I trust a second-hand reference from Germany.

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Posted by T_Terrific on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:06 PM

 Jeff Herne wrote:
The Klaus Kramer drawings have come under all sorts of scrutiny as to their accuracy. Most are artist's renderings of the Monitor. Of particular interest is the plate of Monitor's turret interior. The top shows not corss-hatched grating (as proven), but parallel lengths of slating with no cross-bracing.

Sure, wood was integrated with the hull, that's proven. But wooden frames of ships that are older still remain, and those aren't covered or encased with iron plate.

As for the Monitor being a wooden structure covered with iron (aka Virginia), a detailed look at plans reveal that although wood was used to partition compartments, the structural innards of the ship were iron.

And regardless of what kind of degree you have, I tend to believe the fellas that are onsite and actually working on her before I trust a second-hand reference from Germany.

Jeff

So far, I cannot get anyone to understand what I am saying.

I did not say:

  1. "the Monitor being a wooden structure covered with iron "
  2. "the structural innards of the ship were [NOT of ]iron"
  3. "The hull was not fabricated completely from iron".
  4. "the Monitor being a wooden structure covered with iron (aka Virginia)"

All I have said is that the upper structure (which included the deck and superstructure sides) and its attachments to the main hull were not fabricated of all iron. That DOES NOT mean that the main hull was not all iron.

It was understood over 100 years ago that was part of the reason why the ship foundered and sank so quickly in the  storm in the first place, i.e., the upper structure, being attached by wooden beams, beginning to seperate from the main hull, which was all iron.

I cannot see anything Ron is saying that directly contradicts what I am saying, although both you and he seem to smugly assume otherwise.

Everybody then jumps up and says I am confusing this and the C.S.S. Verginia, as you all gloss over the fact that I am referring to two distinct parts of the ship.

I really do not care "whose side" you choose to take, Jeff, as I am not seeking to be of an opposing side to anyone, as you seem to choose to interpret this exchange of information.

I frankly am dissappointed to your lack of objectivity in this case Jeff.

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Posted by jtilley on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:49 PM

First I want to respond to Larry Dunn's post of earlier today.  His logic, as it turns out, is quite correct:  apparently (if I'm reading Ron Mariner's description correctly) there was a layer of plating on top of the grating.  I confess that was one possibility that hadn't occurred to me. 

I imagine one result of the current work on the turret, engine, and other artifacts will be at least one new book on the Monitor, probably with updated plans.  Even after Ron's excellent verbal description I'm still having a little trouble visualizing how the turret roof was built.  The ship was built in a remarkably short time.  To fabricate that rather complicated grating, only to cover it up with a layer of perforated plates, doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense.  I wonder if it's conceivable that the grating originally was the turret roof, and that the plates were added after the battle with the Virginia.  We know the Monitor did undergo some minor modifications during that period - most notably the replacement of the damaged pilothouse.  Maybe the same workmen modified the turret roof.  That's pure, unsupported speculation on my part, though.

Regarding the structure of the hull - I can't help much.  I gather the issue under discussion is the structure of the part of the hull (the "raft-like" part) with a rectangular cross-section that, in effect, overhangs the lower hull structure (the part with the tapered cross-section containing the engines, etc.).   Many years ago, when I was working at the Mariners' Museum, I was lucky enough to arrange for the loan of a beautiful set of colored engineering drawings of the Monitor believed to have been drawn by the designer, John Ericsson.  (That was one of the more satisfying things I accomplished during my time there.  The drawings - actually one sheet of drafting cloth, with three cutaway views on it - were owned by the American-Swedish Historical Society, of Philadelphia.  When I made the initial queries about the possibility of borrowing them, the answer was that they were too delicate to travel - and the American-Swedish Historical Society couldn't afford to have them conserved.  We were able to work out a deal whereby the Mariners' Museum paid to have the documents treated, cleaned, mounted, and framed by one of the best labs in the business, in exchange for which we got to borrow them for several months.)  I remember them as beautiful pieces of work, with lots of detail (though the structure of the turret roof was utterly ambiguous).  But I honestly can't remember just how the structure of the overhanging portion of the hull was shown in those drawings.

I've had to spend more time than I'd like over the years staring at the photos and movies taken by archaeologists during the exploration of the wreck.  And quite a few years ago I got hired by the Monitor Marine Sanctuary folks to design a paper model of the ship, to be used in conjunction with the organization's youth education activities.  (It struck me at the time that the Monitor was an excellent subject to be represented in paper.  She's one of the few naval vessels in history whose basic shape has no compound curves whatsoever.)  When I was boning up on the subject prior to designing the model I looked at all the plans I could find.  Most of them disagreed with each other on pretty fundamental points.  The ones that were recommended to me most strongly were those by Alan B. Chesley.  My recollection - which may be incorrect - is that they showed the bottom of the hull overhang as being covered with iron plates, like the rest of the hull.  That seems to contradict the German drawing that was discussed earlier in this thread. 

The movies and still photos of the wreck are, of course, hard to interpret in detail; so much of the old ship has either disintegrated or gotten covered with concretions that it's often hard to tell just what materials one's looking at.  My general impression, though, is that the pictures confirm the Chesley drawings (as I remember them).  I know for a fact that I drew the outlines of iron plates all over the bottom of the little paper model I designed.  I ran a draft of it by John Broadwater, who at that time was the senior archaeologist working on the project; he corrected several small details, but didn't comment on the plating pattern.  (John, then as now, was a busy man; it's possible that he missed something.)  My inclination is to think the whole bottom of the ship is plated - including the underside of the overhang.  I am, however, perfectly willing to be corrected on that point.

The basic question of why the rest of the ship hasn't been brought up, unfortunately, has a simple answer:  money.  The Navy, the Monitor Marine Sanctuary, the state of North Carolina, Duke University, East Carolina University, and heaven only knows how many other institutions have now been wrestling for more than thirty years with the problem of what to do with her.  The technology probably does exist now to bring her up more-or-less in one piece.  That would involve bringing a substantial chunk of the seabed up too - but it probably could be done.  But it just isn't going to happen.  I haven't kept up with the financial figures on the raising of the turret and the engine, but I believe the figure is well into the millions of dollars by now.  And when the artifacts come out of the water the expenditures are just starting.  The restoration, conservation, and preservation of such stuff is an ongoing - and expensive - process.  Just getting that turret to the point where it can be exposed to the atmosphere on a regular basis is going to take several years - and who knows how many dollars and man hours.  Even if the hull were brought up, I doubt that it would be possible to find the money to conserve and maintain it - and if it can't be conserved, it's better off where it is.

Over the years lots of ideas for dealing with the Monitor have been bounced around.  There was talk of building an enormous cofferdam, stretching all the way to the surface, around the wreck and pumping the water out.  At one time somebody proposed building a clear plastic dome on the seabed, with the wreck inside.  (Tourists presumably would ride miniature submarines down to see it.)  All of those ideas obviously got abandoned.  And during all the years that the project was being discussed and debated, and the archaeologists were scrambling for every dollar they could get, the wreck was continuing to deteriorate.  Now, not a lot is left.  I suspect we won't see a great deal more of the Monitor come to the surface.  But the good news is that what we have is utterly fascinating.

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Posted by Gerarddm on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:07 PM

Threads like this are what makes forums like this so great.

BTW, could it be possible that the perforated roof plates on the turret were there simply for the tow south? I.E., storm protection and nothing more?  I am not an expert by any means, but it seems to me that in an era when gunpowder smoke was a severe issue, a set of perforated turret roof plates wouldn't be used actually in combat- I am more inclined to believe the grating line of argument.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 12:41 PM

I'll say it again.  In all these pronouncements we must exercise caution.  Dr. Tilley is, again spot on.  Yes, with enough funding we could do most anything but it's probable that little more of Monitor will see the light of day.  Incidentally, the paper models still abound, John, and are treasured by those who acquire them.  Now for some good and totally non-partisan info.  I was fortunate to view and play a minor role in a decision-making process through which Mariners' acquired very recently from the Rowland family (the descendants of Thomas Rowland who owned the Continental Iron Works, builders of Monitor) over 50 documents relating to Monitor  and Captain Ericsson including several drawings from October 1861 to mid-1862.  Among the documents is the original contract between Thomas Fitch Rowland and Capt. John Ericsson and Associates for construction of the Monitor.  If that's not fodder for future speculation, I don't know what is.  Many vessels were built from plans but after-build drawings didn't match plans.  Par for the course.  Such will certainly be true of several aspects of Monitor.  Now, when was the top plating installed?  Have you seen the drawing of Monitor  under tow with the tall stack from her boiler?  It's real but was not installed during battles.  What time frame, therefore, does the model maker intend to represent?  That the plating is there now is a certainty.  When it was placed there, haven't the foggiest.  Also, when I viewed the turret and discussed the roof with the conservators I knew this configuration would be difficult to describe but if you have an idea of the criss-cross structure from other model plans (with main center support of iron beam and several cross-irons of smaller dimension) well, that's not a bad likeness in general of a view from inside the turret. 

 An open mind is a treasure.  I'll look more into the wood question next week when the tank should be drained again.

Best,

Ron 

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Posted by Jeff Herne on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:36 PM
Tom, why do you always have to resort to personal jabs? I see it here, and lots of other places too.

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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:54 PM

I found a copy of the Ericsson drawings.  (They're in The Blockade:  Runners and Raiders volume in the Time-Life Books series on the Civil War.)  It's pretty clear that the German cross-section we were discussing earlier is a copy of Ericsson's cross-section. 

The more I look at those drawings the more I have to wonder just what they are.  They're certainly not working drawings; they show more detail in some areas (e.g., individual slats on the doors of the cabins) than anybody actually involved in the building of the ship would need.  There's no practical reason - especially in a rush job like this one - to give a mechanic a side-view drawing of a gear with every tooth plotted out in meticulous detail.  And there certainly was no practical reason to render them in color - which, unless my memory is much mistaken, the originals from the American-Swedish Historical Society were.  They look like they were made for some documentary purpose - or conceivably, I suppose, for decoration.  I know of no reason to doubt their authenticity - but if the real ship doesn't agree with them in every detail I won't be surprised.

On close inspection it's easy to reconcile Ron's verbal description of the turret top with what's shown on the drawings.  The grating and the two hatches show pretty clearly (though it's hard to tell whether there's a layer of plating on top of the grating).  One point makes me a little nervous, though:  the roof beams shown in the transverse cross-section match Ron's description, but they seem to be missing from the longitudinal cross-section. 

The frames of the lower hull (the tapered part) pretty clearly are made of iron (specifically, L-beams riveted to plates).  There's room for doubt in interpreting the cross-hatching on the drawing, but it looks like the deck beams are wood.  On top of them there seems to be a pretty thick layer of wood planking, with the relatively thin iron plates secured on top of it.  And on each side of the "raft" structure there's a heavy belt of what seems to be wood timbers , with iron plating on the the exterior.  (That plating varies in thickness; the upper 60% or thereabouts, from the top to a foot or two below the waterline, is considerably heavier than the layer below.  The plates are set flush on the outside; the difference in thickness is taken up on the inside of the ship.)  It looks to me like the bottom of the "raft" structure is covered with iron plates - though I guess there's room for interpretation of the drawing there.  In other words (sigh of relief) it looks like the plating lines on the paper model I drew are right - more or less.  But there was indeed, if I'm interpreting those drawings correctly, a considerable amount of wood in the ship.  The "raft" apparently was surrounded by a heavy belt of timber - similar to the "packing" that often was used to back up the hull plating in later steel warships. Whether the weakness of any joints between iron and wood contributed to her sinking I have no idea.  My understanding has always been that she got caught in a storm, the towline broke, water got in through either the boiler intakes or the stack openings, and the engine died, leaving her out of control so she broached-to and flooded.  But I haven't kept up with the research that's been done recently.

Since we're indulging in speculation, I'll throw out another idea regarding the turret roof.  If I remember correctly, when the Monitor foundered she was on her way south to take part in the blockade of one of the southern ports.  (Charleston?  Wilmington?  I don't remember.)  If I were in command of such a warship, I'd be concerned that an operation like that would bring her within range of some heavy coastal defense guns - whose range would be such that their shells or roundshot might hit the ship on a vertical trajectory.  The original design for the Monitor gives the impression of having emphasized relatively short-range defense against shot striking on a horizontal, or near-horizontal, trajectory.  (E.g., the fact that thedeck plating is thinner than that of the hull sides or, for that matter, the side of the turret.)  Maybe - maybe - the plating on the turret roof was added as additional protection against plunging shot?  That's pure speculation again - but fun.

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    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 17, 2006 10:29 AM

As modelers we tend to be history buffs.  That's as is should be.  The discussions about details are important as regards accuracy and the historical usefulness of a model.  Dr. Tilley and many others (this probably includes T Teriffic) are so well-informed and educated in the field that most of us place a very high value on the information that they provide.  That said, I will provide info on the Monitor  as it  becomes available (some will be revealed very soon) with the caution that if I see it, I can believe it.  If I can't then I'm accepting someone else's word.  I am not an expert, only an observer.  Fortunately, my current sources are quite reliable, many having touched the hull and structures.  But John's original posting here dealt with the appearance of the turret and how it might be best and most accurately interpreted in scale.  I think that's the most useful theme here and very soon we'll have access to photos of the roof, the innards, the odd drilled gunports etc.  And in 12 or fourteen years (give or take) the turret will be on public display.  I can't wait!

Best,

Ron   

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