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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Friday, October 31, 2008 1:56 PM

Various things sir.

Things like the torpedo tubes being too forward, the shape of the hull and bilge not being accurate. 

I am not a modeler myself, I'm disabled and can't build models myself but people like Dave Krakow - my esteemed co-author on SCHNELLBOOT IN ACTION and Steve Wiper and Jeff Herne have told me that if one wants an accurate S-10 Class boat from that Airfix kit, one should do a lot of scratchbuilding. 

In fact sir, Mr. Wiper told me that, in the end - a builder would have a scratchbuilt model instead of a kit. 

My advice; look at a lot of reference photos and go from there.

Garth 

 

 

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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Friday, October 31, 2008 1:48 PM
The Revell kit is much better ...............
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Posted by Bert on Friday, October 31, 2008 1:43 PM

Hello Garth and everyone on this thread!

I have had the old Airfix E-Boat kit with me for 25 years. I remember when it came out in 1976 and for a little kid I knew it was out of my price league! In the early 80's I bought it and then came 22 years in the military so it is only now that I am finally getting around to build it. I know the kit is old and from reading this thread there seems to be alot of inacccuracies. What exactly is inaccurate with the kit? I do want to build it, but would like to take care of and fix any problems along the way! 

Thanks,

Bert 

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Posted by drquick on Saturday, April 28, 2007 6:52 PM
If you want to get an Idea of what this kit is like check out the Group Build over at the Airfix Tribute Forum
here http://airfixtributeforum.myfastforum.org/forum91.php

Especially check out Dave Covs build as he shows you his build step by step
here http://airfixtributeforum.myfastforum.org/DaveCov_s_Build_about2424.html

Hope that was helpful!

DQuick
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Posted by CG Bob on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:15 PM

The Scale Shipyard and Loyalhanna Dockyard are both selling the Tian Jie (Tiger King) model of the S-100 in 1/36 scale.  I bought one from Loyalhanna Doclyard at the Toldeo Weak Signals Show.  The kits is very complete with the prop and rudder stuffing tubes already installed.  They include the props, rudders, shafts, two sheets of photo etch details, 5 sheets of CNC cut styrene, lots ot plastic fittings like the life rings, torpedo ends, gun parts, etc.  The model is suitable for radio control.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:03 AM

Hello one & all,

I'm afraid that I'm a bit of a n00b when it comes to things that float on water, but I do have a soft spot for the Airfix 1/72 scale boat kits. 

The 'E-Boat' has always been a favourite of mine, since first building one as a child, oh so very many years ago. 

Since than my interest has mainly been focussed on wargaming and 1/72 WWII armoured vehice kits, but my general modelling skills have come along a bit. 

Recently there seems to have been some renewed interest in 1/72 scale boats with Italeri announcing their Italian Torpedo Boat and this got me thinking about the old Airfix range and their 'E-Boat' in particular.

So can anyone tell me what is available in the way of aftermarket parts for this kit?

I've done the usual internet trawl and been rather unsuccesful - Is there really nothing out there or am I having another attack of 'Google Blindness'? 

TIA & All the best

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Posted by fordboy on Wednesday, April 5, 2006 11:10 AM

Hi Jeff

Its all good now.

I fully realise that these postings can get sidetracked.

I did enjoy seeing the stuff you were doing on the S 100 however I was really conscious of the fact that the Airfix kit discussion became lost or stationery while you and Al discussed matters.

I am really fine about it all especially now I have found the Group Build details.

Regards

Sean

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Posted by Jeff Herne on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 1:15 PM
Topics have a way of digressing...at least we stayed on topic with S-boats!! We could have ventured off into Chesapeake Bay clamming schooners or something!

Jeff
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Posted by fordboy on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 12:42 PM

Hi Dan

Thanks for that link.

I was unaware of that discussion.

Consider me signed up.

Regards

Sean

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Posted by DanCooper on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 11:05 AM
Sure, ford, I already openend a thread on the subject...

http://www.finescale.com/FSM/CS/forums/602029/ShowPost.aspx

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Posted by fordboy on Monday, April 3, 2006 8:47 AM

Hi

This thread seems to have got somehow disappointingly sidetracked from its primary subject the Aifix 1/72 E Boat.

 Is anyone (Dan?) interested in a group shared build of the Airfix 1/72 E Boat?

Regards

Sean

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Posted by alross2 on Saturday, April 1, 2006 1:44 PM

 Jeff Herne wrote:
I'll drop you an email, let's chat.

Jeff

If you have, I haven't received it yet... :-}

Al

 

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Posted by Jeff Herne on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:41 PM
I'll drop you an email, let's chat.

Jeff
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Posted by alross2 on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 4:28 PM

>> Hey Al, would you be interested in doing a kit review for me?? I have something I think you'd be perfectly suited for!<<

Sure.  Maybe we can do something with the Italeri PT kit, too.  I'm very curious about this one, especially since they chose 596.  I drew a 1/32 scale set of plans for her years ago.  The only reason I chose 596 was that I had some great photos of her.  There was nothing remarkable about this boat either operationally or technically, so I suspect they may have based it on my drawings.  We'll see... :-}.

If you get a chance, visit my website:  www.coastalforcesplans.com

Al



 

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Posted by Jeff Herne on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:48 PM
I started out with an old (read 1970-ish) fiberglass S-100 hull/kit. Absolutely terrible...beyond words how bad it was. The only good thing out of the kit was the templates for the wheelhouse and Kalotte. I finally gave up in disgust and got Karl's hull, and you're right, it's amazing. I've actually had fun building this model, even though I'm on a deadline.

As soon as this one is finished (I have two weeks left), I'm thinking about another Schnellboot for myself.

I'm also considering a large-scale PC-461...I'm thinking about Karl's 1/96 hull but I might decide to go bigger and build it in 1/32.

Time time time ... that's all I need at this point!

Hey Al, would you be interested in doing a kit review for me?? I have something I think you'd be perfectly suited for!

Jeff
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Posted by alross2 on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:25 PM

Hi Jeff,

Don't ya just love those MicroGlass hulls?  I've known Karl for nearly 30 years and am amazed at the quality of his hulls.  He makes BJ's RC lobster boat hull for us and I've got a bunch of his stuff down cellar.  He's based a lot of his hulls on my plans and includes modified versions of them with the kits. 

Al

 

 

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Posted by Jeff Herne on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 1:40 PM
First off, I'm glad to see Mr. Ross here. He's one of the most-knowledgable small-combatant historians and modelers I've ever met (or read). Now if I could just get him to write for FSM! :-)

I'm in the middle of a large-scale (1/32) S-100, here's a couple of photos. This is scratchbuilt, no kit.

Jeff




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Posted by fordboy on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 1:29 PM

Hi Dan

I am very interested in a group build.

How about others?

I have got my kit but I am delaying opening it until I finish a few projects.  That is not far away at all.

I am building a water line version of my Airfix E Boat so some of the hull inaccuracies I can therefore live with.

Regards

Sean

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Posted by DanCooper on Sunday, March 26, 2006 10:58 AM
it's the Squadron Signal In Action nr018 that I have

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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:51 PM

Dan,

What book do you have? 

The S-7 Class did have a provision for either a MG15 or MG34 on their foredeck.

Garth

 

 

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Posted by DanCooper on Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:40 PM
Ok folks, I've got myself the Schellboot-book, and indeed that part you call "bilge" looks defferent compared to the instruction sheet I've downloaded from the Airfix website, but since the model will be "in action" that doesn't matter much to me.
As for the other inaccuracys, I'll just have to wait and see when I get my kit Disapprove [V]
One of the things I noticed though is that in the book there is a side drawing of the S-7 with the comment that the crew added a machinegun on the front deck, the kit comes with this same machinegun, but represents the S-10.
Is it possible that more crews decided to add the mg, or is this one of the inaccuracies of the kit ?

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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Saturday, March 25, 2006 12:20 PM

Dr. Ross is correct Dan.  Additionally, as my co-author Dave Krakow told me that the location of the torpedo tubes are too far aft, amongst other errors in the kit that are too numerous for me to accurately remember here.

But, people such as Mr. Krakow and Steve Wiper have told me that you'd use so much sheet plastic and more time scratchbuilding items that you'd end up with a - basically - scratchbuilt model.  Yes, I know, that's a oversimplification ... but you get the idea.  I am sometimes criticized for even holding that opinion, but so be it.

 

 

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Posted by alross2 on Saturday, March 25, 2006 11:55 AM

<< my technical enlish is far from perfect so I'm not even sure what a "Bilge" is >>

Essentially, Dan, on this kit it's the round portion of the hull below the waterline.  If you compare the shape of the Airfix kit with the actual Lurssen drawings, you'll find that the radius of the curve on the kit is much smaller than that on the plans. 

Al Ross

 

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Posted by DanCooper on Saturday, March 25, 2006 11:11 AM
Thanks Garth, I'll let you know as soon as I receive my kit.

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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Friday, March 24, 2006 1:04 PM
Dan,
 
Email me at PTConsultingNHR@aol.com and I'll help you too.
 
Garth
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Posted by DanCooper on Friday, March 24, 2006 11:56 AM
Garth,
Thanks for the interesting link, as far as inaccuraties go, my technical enlish is far from perfect so I'm not even sure what a "Bilge" is (yeah I know, I wanna make a boat and don't know what's what on it) but if it is under the waterline, I don't care much for it, since my model (whenever it arrives) will be placed on "water".

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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Friday, March 24, 2006 11:28 AM
Dan,
 
There are a number of errors in the overall accuracy of the Airfix E-Boat.  One major one is the shape of the bilge and of the hull.  Amongst other errors.  The inaccuracy of the kit was brought to my attention by Dave Krakow of www.prinzeugen.com - who was my co-author on Schnellboot In Action and by Steve Wiper of Classic Warships.
 
You would be best off "talking to" one of these gentlemen as I found that people tend to listen to other people than me for some reason. 
 
Garth
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Posted by DanCooper on Friday, March 24, 2006 9:51 AM
I've ordered the Airfix German E-Boat too a while back, but unfortunately it's still in backorder. It seems that we have a few guys here going to built that oldie, wouldn't you guys like to built it in "group" ?  That way we can exchange ideas.

I might make a topic in the "Groupbuilts" section if there is enough interest.

Anyway, Ive been told that the placement of the torpedoes is too far back, not sure yet if this is right, I'll have to wait till I receive the kit.
I remember my father built it when I was a kid, as far as I remember it looked nice.

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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:47 AM
I'll let you know ...
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