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Ever seen this Spanish Galleon model?

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DD1
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Posted by DD1 on Friday, March 27, 2009 12:51 PM

Hey

I'll re-vitalizethis thread :)

kapudan - the length of the IMAI galleon is listed here: http://www.ebusiness.com.tw/mpkcomtw/ec/img/sca-imai-saip.htm as 49cm, but that includes bowsprit, I beleive. I would speculate, hull length would be around 40cm. 

If that's true, it tells me the scale of this model is nowhere near 1:100 - the model represents a large ship - it has two full decks of guns, and then some in the waist - ~40 total. In the Armada time frame this would be one of the biggest - San Martin-like galleons. In fact, could this ship represent the San Martin?

It would be great if someone who is a lucky owner of this model, would measure it and post the numbers :)

If the ship is comparable in size withh Airfix "Revenge" - would be cool to display them together

dd 

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Posted by kapudan_emir_effendi on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:11 PM

I'm also eagerly looking to grab Hartford, Wanderer and Corsair. Thanks to Mr. Millard, I have the Bonhomme Richard Smile [:)]. I also recieved my Lindberg issued Pyro Sovereign of the Seas today. I'm a happy man ! I think that the molds of those kits are waiting in the stores of Monogram/Revell. This "train wreck of aurora molds" looks like an urban legend to me. Maybe Revell menagers are waiting a show of opportunity to reissue the models; or to sell the molds to a good bidder.

Nevertheless, It's real sad that I'm unable to learn the imai galleon's dimensions. This will be the decisive factor of investing my money to it or not. Unless it's exceptionally beautiful or there does not exist another decent sample of it, I do not buy ship models whose length overall pass 45-50 centimeters. Well, although I know imai kits are all worthy of their value, they are certainly not cheap and this is a galleon; perhaps the most produced sailing ship type in plastic arena. I have already Revell Golden Hind and Airfix Revenge, both galleons, and a third one must be extremely teasing to have my money invested.

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Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:34 AM

I can help a little regarding the old Aurora kits - though I haven't seen any of them in years.  As I remember there were four in the series:  the Hartford, Sea Witch, Wanderer, and Bonhomme Richard.  They appeared in the late sixties, and weren't on the market long.  (Aurora went out of business a few years later.)  They came in nice, fancy boxes and sold, I think, for about $7.00.  They seem to have been designed to fill a gap in "price points" between the two ranges of Revell sailing ship kits - the 18" ones, which at that time sold for about $4.00, and the 3' ones, which sold for $12.00 or $15.00.

The Sea Witch was a modified reissue of an ancient ITC kit; it's since been reissued at least once under the Lindberg label.  The other three, so far as I know, were original Aurora products.  Frankly my opinion of them was, and remains, pretty low.  The detailing on the hulls and decks wasn't too bad, though they had a certain, exaggerated toy-like quality and it looked like the designers didn't quite understand some of the prototype features.  (The oversized countersunk grooves around the hull planks and copper sheets, for instance, screamed "plastic model" at any observer.)  Most of those problems probably could be corrected by a determined modern modeler; a good paint job would make quite a difference.  But the big problems started at deck level and went up.  All those kits had hideous, injection-molded plastic "sails" molded integrally with the yards.  The "canvas" was about six scale inches thick, and the things weighed so much that all the masts and other components of the top hamper had to be out of scale in order to support them.  Even worse, the "sails" (on at least some of the kits; I don't remember all of them clearly) seemed to have been pirated from the vac-formed ones in Revell kits.  So such things as "seams" and "ropes" were represented as heavy raised lines on the front of the "sail" and trench-like grooves on the back.

The Bonhomme Richard was a reconstruction of the real ship; no plans of her have been found.  The Aurora impression of what she looked like wouldn't stand up to serious scrutiny by anybody who's familiar with the subject.  Serious scale modelers would be well advised to avoid that one.  The other three seem to have been based on decent plans, and with a great deal of work (including replacement of all the spars and deletion of the obscene "sails") probably could be made into respectable scale models.  Somebody who desperately wanted a model of the Sea Witch, Wanderer, or Hartford probably would find that those kits would save some time over working from scratch.  My suggestion to everybody else would be to avoid them.  They probably have some value as collectibles and nostalgia pieces, but there are lots of better starting points for scale models.

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Posted by jwintjes on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 6:12 AM
 EPinniger wrote:
This kit seems to often turn up on eBay UK (www.ebay.co.uk) fairly often, you could try looking there.
I've also seen quite a few old Aurora kits lately, including the Sea Witch, Hartford and Wanderer Whaler, and the occasional Pyro kit.

I bid on the Hartford on both occasions but didn't win it - I put a maximum bid of around £20 but they both went for around £25-30.
For anyone who has this kit (the USS Hartford) and/or has built it, is it any good? How does it compare to the Revell Kearsarge/Alabama in terms of detail and quality?



Thanks for the tip - the Hartford is extremely rare here on the continent, going up to around € 100, which always prevented me from getting one.

Jorit
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Posted by EPinniger on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 3:24 AM
This kit seems to often turn up on eBay UK (www.ebay.co.uk) fairly often, you could try looking there.
I've also seen quite a few old Aurora kits lately, including the Sea Witch, Hartford and Wanderer Whaler, and the occasional Pyro kit.

I bid on the Hartford on both occasions but didn't win it - I put a maximum bid of around £20 but they both went for around £25-30.
For anyone who has this kit (the USS Hartford) and/or has built it, is it any good? How does it compare to the Revell Kearsarge/Alabama in terms of detail and quality?

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Posted by jwintjes on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:50 AM
 kapudan_emir_effendi wrote:
What are the exact dimensions of the model ? How many centimeters is the length from bowspirit to stern and the height of the mainmast ?


Kapudan,

unfortunately I didn't get it - someone else was apparently even more keen that I was.

Jorit
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Posted by kapudan_emir_effendi on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 11:39 AM
What are the exact dimensions of the model ? How many centimeters is the length from bowspirit to stern and the height of the mainmast ?
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Posted by Chuck Fan on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 1:28 AM
Yes.  I do not know the pedigree of this kit, but I have seen its contents in an opened box at a local hobby shop.   This same kit is also occassionally offered as "English Galleon".   The molding is good.   The lower level gun ports are molded shut, which is a pity.     The shrouds and ratlines are molded in plastic, which makes the assembly easy and the results insufferable.

The kit is actually quite small compared to such well known sailing ship kits such as Heller's Victory and Soleil Royal, and Revell's Constitution and Cutty Sark.  But for the long beakhead, it would compare more closely in size with 1/87 scale HMS Bounty, which suggest the ship depicted is quite small.   Perhaps 500 tonnelada or less.   Certainly not one of the bigger Spanish galleons.   I can't say it really is an accurate depication of any Spanish galleons, since Galleons changed a great deal over its life.



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Posted by millard on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 7:29 PM

Jorit

Emir is correct that is the old Imai kit.Lee is on the box .they had the mold for a while.Now Aosima Has them and is selling the kit for $150.00.I've built this kit twice it goes together nicely.If you look on www.modelwarships.com under models by Rod Millard you can see photos I had there about a month ago.I've got one of the Lee kits here the only problem with them is the molds are getting a little old and detail is as not as crisp as the real Imai kits.If you can get it for less than $50.00 I'd go for it.

Rod

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Posted by jwintjes on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:59 PM
 kapudan_emir_effendi wrote:
Aye sir ! Smile [:)] It's the Imai 1/100 Spanish Galleon repackaged by another company.


Thanks for the info!

Anything about the Imai Galleon I should know? I've never seen it before.

Jorit
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Posted by kapudan_emir_effendi on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:59 PM
Aye sir ! Smile [:)] It's the Imai 1/100 Spanish Galleon repackaged by another company.
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Ever seen this Spanish Galleon model?
Posted by jwintjes on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 2:27 PM
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7398682062&fromMakeTrack=true

While the box art looks much like the Revell, well, "thingy" (I can't get over me and call it "ship"), somehow the kit contents is something different, if my memory serves me right. An old Mayflower kit perhaps?

Jorit

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