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Posted by Grymm on Monday, April 17, 2006 7:56 AM

Sorry I haven't posted in a while.  Classes have been a bear, and with my daughter graduating soon, it's been a bit hectic.  My wife wanted me to finish some resin figure projects I had sitting around for a while too.  But now, my table is clear, and I can get back to the Royal.  I'll also be posting a second project I'm going to start in a week or so.  It's the 36" Revell Cutty Sark.  This ship is huge, and it will keep me from going insane as I build yet another of the umpteenth million guns for the Royal. 

I will have pics this weekend...hopefully.  As long as nothing else gets in the way.

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Posted by Grymm on Friday, March 31, 2006 12:59 PM
That's what I was thinking.  And there will be a lot of gold on the model.  Hull is Royal Blue, below the wales black, waterline and below is white.  Pretty much everything else (stern castle decoration, wales, gun ports) are going to be gold.  The more I talk about it, the more I feel like taking a break from the cannons and go straight to the hull.
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Posted by Donnie on Friday, March 31, 2006 10:41 AM
I don't own an airbrush Sad [:(] - I have about 5 or 6 diff size brushes - some have very tiny bristles to do fine work. The only thing that came close to air was using that Testors Flat Black Spray can to paint the hull.
I think the darker blue will be good. If you have any Gold that will be used, the Gold will really pop out.

Donnie
just my 2 cents worth.

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Posted by Grymm on Friday, March 31, 2006 10:30 AM

 Donnie wrote:
Well, so far, I have been building my models straight from the box as well with no modifications. I just do the best I can with what I have in the box. I am still learngin myself too. Welcome to this family of ship builders. I find that everyone here is very welcoming and no one bashes each other.

Donnie

Dude, for building straight from the box you're doing an incredible job on your build.

One thing I'm going to do, just because I want to.  The entire hull is going to be hand painted.  I won't use my airbrush.  It will be a little more time consuming, but I will get a lot more enjoyment from it.  I am using my airbrush for the gun carriages, since there are so many of them, but I'm doing a light weathering on them so they don't look too plain.  As for the hull, I'm finishing up (hopefully) the sanding this weekend and will have it all together. 

So what does everyone think for the blue of the hull?  Straight Royal Blue, or should I lighten it a bit?  I was thinking that it should be lightened a bit.  Royal Blue is a very deep, striking color.  It looks incredible, and the gilding would stand out a lot.

Wot
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Posted by Wot on Friday, March 31, 2006 10:25 AM
Sorry to hear about your daughter's accident but I'm real glad she's not badly hurt.
I usually build straight from the box as well but that model cried out for some more detail below decks. It's one beautiful kit and ship.
I also have Heller's Le Chebec, La Reale, and HMS Victory, purchased in the 70's. Le Chebec is nearly complete and the other two are still in the box and may never get built, at least by me. Current build is the Trumpeter Hornet, 1/350th, and it's proving to be one of the most labor-intensive kits I've ever done. Going to display it in the local military museum. Looking forward to seeing your photos!
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Posted by Donnie on Friday, March 31, 2006 8:36 AM
Well, so far, I have been building my models straight from the box as well with no modifications. I just do the best I can with what I have in the box. I am still learngin myself too. Welcome to this family of ship builders. I find that everyone here is very welcoming and no one bashes each other.

Donnie

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Posted by Grymm on Friday, March 31, 2006 8:30 AM

 Wot wrote:
Grymm, I have this model, began building it in '75, near as I can reckon, and nearly completed the hull. It's been packed away for decades due to many moves and lack of display space. Anyway, I glued "plank" wood sheets on the decks, wooden beams on the overheads, built a wood manger in the bow, added the anchor hawsers around the capstan, placed small grain-o-wheat bulbs in between the beams, and roped in all of the cannon. Looks quite real if you peer in from the stern and looks awesome lit up in a darkened room. Don't know if you want to go thru all of that trouble but I think you'd be happy with the result. Wot

I had thought about it.  But, aside from the fact that I've never worked with wood before (I envy you for your obvious skill at wood models), it's going to take enough time building this ship.  Plus, I want to build this straight from the box.  I see so many posts here from master modellers that do incredible modifications to their models.  I want to do one just from the box, with as little modification as possible, and post my work here.  I don't consider myself an amatuer, probably slightly above average.  But I want to do my best to show that straight from the box can be beautiful in of itself.

On the subject of the model itself.  I ran short of primer, so I'm picking up some more today.  The primer went on wonderfully.  I hope to get to start the rest of the gun assembly this weekend.  Well, at least a few more of the guns.  It is very time consuming.  The wife is home, so I have the digital cam.  I should have some photos up soon.  But, my daughter totalled her car this past Monday (she's okay, just a little battered and bruised), so I've been busy helping her replace her car. 

Once again let me say how grateful I am to everyone who has given me suggestions and information for building this model.   In a way, I feel I'm not building it alone.  That kind of friendship is very important to me, since I don't keep many friends (family comes first).  Thank you guys.

Wot
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Posted by Wot on Thursday, March 30, 2006 5:26 PM
Grymm,

I have this model, began building it in '75, near as I can reckon, and nearly completed the hull. It's been packed away for decades due to many moves and lack of display space. Anyway, I glued "plank" wood sheets on the decks, wooden beams on the overheads, built a wood manger in the bow, added the anchor hawsers around the capstan, placed small grain-o-wheat bulbs in between the beams, and roped in all of the cannon. Looks quite real if you peer in from the stern and looks awesome lit up in a darkened room. Don't know if you want to go thru all of that trouble but I think you'd be happy with the result.

Wot
I stop in the local cafe now and then just to see what I've been up to.
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Posted by scottrc on Monday, March 27, 2006 11:09 AM
The instructions make sense?
Um, what kind of wine are you drinking?Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]  French I suppose?

I agree with you about the kit, it is a fun kit to build despite the authenticity of it.  You can go with your hearts content on decorating it.  And I think the plastic is very good compared to what we see today from China and Germany.

Keep having fun,
Scott

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Posted by Grymm on Monday, March 27, 2006 10:48 AM

I agree.  But, regardless of the "flaws" and the debate over accuracy, I still love this kit.  Plus, I don't think there will ever be a completely accurate rendition of the vessel.  Darn French.  You would think the plans for the ship would have been stored/saved somewhere.  For such an artfully beautiful ship, you would have thought the designer would have saved something.

Like I said before, the more I look at the instructions, the clearer they become.  Even the rigging instructions look a little clearer....a little....

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Posted by jtilley on Monday, March 27, 2006 10:07 AM

It seems there's an interesting story there.  The painting on the box in the picture Grymm posted earlier is not the one that appeared on the box of the Soleil Royal kit that I bought, back in the mid- or late seventies.  (I don't remember the old box with anything like absolute clarity, but I know the angle and background were different.  The new picture is better.)  It looks to me like one of two things has happened.  Either the artist who did the new picture based it on some source other than the Heller kit (such things happen with surprising frequency in the wonderful world of plastic kits), or the people running the show at Heller, having concluded that the kit was wrong, told him to do it that way.  (Things like that also happen.  I think I'd rather believe the former interpretation, though - rather than accuse Heller of deliberately deceiving its customers.) 

At any rate, there is some doubt about the actual shape and configuration of the ship's stern.  I'm inclined to think the configuration depicted in the kit is a long way from reality.  We've established in other threads of the Forum, though, that there's room for divergence of opinion as to what the Soleil Royal actually looked like.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by Grymm on Monday, March 27, 2006 8:30 AM

Primer went on beautifully.  This is high quality plastic.  I'm also impressed with how the barrel halves are going together.  I did some sanding this morning before class.  No seam lines at all.  They went together perfectly.  I got my mix of red in my airbrush and went to work on the carriage pieces.  I always paint on the sprue if I can.   It doesn't look too brightly red, but I will be weathering just a bit to tone it down.  I also spent time yesterday test fitting the hull, doing sanding, that kind of thing.  A minor warp in the back was all I have to work with.  Not bad at all.

I've gotten about 40 barrels together.  I'll be trying to get some more together and sanding the first batch tonight.  I may put the hull halves together and clamp it off for a couple of days.  I'm being so nitpicky about fit and finish that this is taking a lot longer than I thought.  At least it will make for a better piece.  I'm using the kit-supplied stand, but I'm going to "snaz" it up a bit.  I don't have any kind of table clamp to hold the hull in place, so I'll just use the stand.

Oh, a couple of odd but interesting points.  First, the more I look at the French instructions, the more I understand them.  Kudos to Heller for this.  The other is a bit more interesting.  There has been much criticism to Heller for their misrepresentation of the stern castle, where the sides should not be enclosed.  Well, Heller obviously knew about this when they designed the kit.  The box art clearly shows that the balconies extend around the sides of the stern castle.

I'll post some pics when my wife gets back from Florida with the digital.

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Posted by Grymm on Sunday, March 26, 2006 1:05 PM

Okay.  It's Sunday.  The wife and son are in Florida until Tuesday.  The daughter is at work and will probably (as usual) "hang out" with friends until later tonight. (more like "hang ON friends, but that's another story).  The house is quiet.  Let's see now.  Table ready?  Check.  Paints mixed and ready?  Check.  Tools ready?  Check.  Boston's greatest hists on the CD.  Check?  Volume on max?  Check.  Glass of sweet muscadine wine?  Check.  Crap!  Almost out of wine.  Will have to make a road trip later. 

Pulled out the hull halves, stern cast pieces, and other parts needed.  Pulled out the gun/carriage sprues.  I did a test paint on a gun or two without priming.  I didn't like it.  Didn't feel or look right.  I use citadel acrylics exclusively because they are heavy pigment and flow beautifully....just not on unprimed plastic.   So, off to the garage I go to prime my parts. 

Let's build a model....shall we?

Oh, btw.  For those who have trouble with Testor's sprays, I highly recommend the Citadel primers, available at any store that carries Game's Workshop product.  It lays down even, covers completely with a thin coat, and holds paint like a fly to a glue strip.  It's awesome stuff.

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Posted by cthulhu77 on Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:08 AM

  Just a few notes here:

    Yes, you can buy acrylic sprays in basic colours, such as white,black, grey, etc. 

    I wouldn't recommend using them as a primer though, the aerosol primers have a lot of pungent thinning agents that make for quick and flat drying. Not any grey or black paint can be used as a primer. The very nature of the product is an ultra thin "scratch" coat finish, that other paints can bind to very well.

   I heavily recommend grey automotive spray primers, such as Krylon, that can be sanded. These dry almost immediately, and can be painted over within one hour. The biggest problem with applying primer is usually putting it on too thick, which can cause surface cracking or lack of drying...so, two very light coats, holding the can at least a foot away, is the best way to go.

                greg

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Posted by Donnie on Sunday, March 26, 2006 12:56 AM
I think that the paint had a long shelf life from the Hobby Town that I bought it from. I am not the expert on paint. I do know that I like the Black-
You are most correct in that I think that Gray and red was sort of a glossy finish is the reason it did not like to dry. If I had to do it all over again on another project, I will stick with the flat black spray, but this time I think I might mail order it or try another place to buy it. I don't think my hobby town is being taken care of too well. (on the paints that is)
We also have a Hobby Lobby (where my wife works) and they have the sray as well. This store is more apt to keep fresh paints and things.

I have not used the Flat Black Spray on any of my other parts, just the hull.
I am almost ready to post some more images of the finished hull maybe tomorrow.

Donnie

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Posted by jtilley on Sunday, March 26, 2006 12:26 AM

I don't think Testor makes acrylic paint in spray cans.  (I'm not sure anybody does.  I wonder if that's physically possible.  Seems like it should be.)  I wonder if it's possible that one or more of the colors you picked was glossy, whereas the black was flat.  I don't use spray cans often myself, but I've generally had much better experiences with the flat colors than with the glossy ones.  Our automotive comrades seem to get beautiful results with them on a regular basis, but I've never gotten the hang of using them.

In any case, it sounds like what happened here is that a coat of enamel got applied over another one that hadn't dried yet.  There are several possible explanations for why the first one didn't dry properly.  If you complained to the manufacturer, he'd undoubtedly blame it on you; he'd tell you you hadn't shaken it enough, or that you'd tried to spray it when the humidity was too high, or something.  It's also, I think, entirely possible that there was something wrong with the paint - either it wasn't mixed properly at the factory, or it had sat too long on the dealer's shelf, or something.  Hard to say.  But I've had more than one similar experience of spray paint refusing to dry.  The moral is that when that happens, the best thing to do is to get the stuff off the model.  Several substances can do that; my normal preference (for economic reasons, among others) is automotive brake fluid.

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Posted by Donnie on Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:22 PM
I picked up some Testors (small can) of spray paint. On the cans, it was gray, black, and Red. I picked these up to do another project of which I abandoned.
I thought I would use the Gray (I think the can said primer - but I gave it away to a friend). I used the gray on the hull of my Von Hamburg and I noticed right off that the paint was not drying - it seemed somewhat too sticky and tacky. I waited and waited for it to dry and I finally just gave up on about a day of waiting and went ahead with my painting on the hull.
It seemed that the gray became "wet" again and mixed in with my newer coat of paint. Since I am no paint expert, it seems that maybe that Gray Testors was maybe an enamel.
Now the deal is this. I used the Black Spray and loved it. The Black spray seemed to have dried totally to the touch in about 15 minutes ready to go. So, I took the hull to my office where there is a shop and I spray painted both hulls with two coats. About 5 hours later or so, I got home and started painting. The Black never mixed in with my other new coats of paint and performed as what I wanted. So, it might be that the Black might have been a water base (since it dried so quick) and the Gray which was really tacky and gooey was maybe enamel.
I think that Black on the hull is the way to go - I think so becuase, if you miss just a minor place that does not have any paint on it, then the black background of the black has a way of "masking" painting mistakes. It seemed that the opposite was true for the gray, why the gray seemed to announce every mistake of my painting - where the Black masked my mistakes.
Does this make any sense? I hope so.

Donnie

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Posted by jtilley on Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:56 AM

Donnie - I think we'd be interested in learning a little more about the problems you had with Testor's grey as a primer.  I know you described that awful experience briefly in another thread, but just what seems to have been the cause of it?  I gather the finish coat softened up the primer.  Was the finish coat solvent-based, or acrylic?  And about how much time elapsed between the application of the primer and that of the finish coat?  Maybe an analysis of what happened to you will save somebody else (me, for instance) some grief.  Thanks.

Grymm - you may want to do some more thinking about the best paint to use for the gilded "carvings."  I don't know what's in Liquid Leaf, but if it has to be sealed and polished it's less than ideal for the purpose.  Real gold leaf does not change color on exposure to the atmosphere.  That's one of the big reasons why gold has always been considered a precious metal, and why people like sign painters and picture frame restorers are willing to pay premium prices for real gold leaf.  (People who work with the real stuff sometimes apply a high-quality clear varnish to the finished product, but that's not to keep it from changing color; it's to protect the surface from abrasion.)  If a metallic paint requires a sealant coat to keep it from changing color, I have to wonder what's in the pigment.  And polishing, by definition, removes a minute layer of the material from the surface.  That, in turn, means the material has to be applied in a relatively thick coat, so some of it can stand to be rubbed off.  And applying a thick coat risks obscuring some of the wonderful detail that the Heller artisans worked into those "carvings."

The ideal gold paint for this purpose, I guess, would cover in one infinitely thin coat, would look like real gold leaf, would be durable enough to withstand normal handling without rubbing off, and wouldn't tarnish or otherwise change in color.  I don't know that any paint on the market meets all those criteria, but modern gold hobby paints come pretty close.  I don't have a definitive answer or recommendation, but I would recommend some experimentation.

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Posted by Donnie on Friday, March 24, 2006 10:51 PM
Mr. Tilley covered all the bases.
I will just say that I used a Testors Flat Black spray can on my hull only.

I personally do not see a need in going in all directions on a primer. What happened to me is that I used a gray testors primer and it ATE all my colors that I was putting on the ship. It looked horrible. I had to go buy another model becuase it ruined the hull.

I usually just stick with putting several coats on and forget it. But then again, I am more of a balance with practicallity - law of diminishing returns and a tad bit of perfectionist myself. If I focus on being too perfect, then I lose my fun of it. Therefore I choose a balance !

Donnie
May I make a suggestion Smile [:)]   You have some fantastic NOTES going on your Soleil - keep it up, becuase I am ALSO interested in your model build. Please keep the same post thread and don't change.

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Posted by jtilley on Friday, March 24, 2006 1:11 PM

In talking about primers, the first thing to consider is what you want the primer to accomplish.

In the world of painting in general, primers do several things.  First, they seal the surface of the base material, so the finish coat has a smooth surface and nasty stuff growing or otherwise developing in the base material doesn't come out through the paint.  Second, they establish a physical and/or chemical bond with the base material, making the finish coat of paint stick better.  (In some instances the finish coat wouldn't stick at all in the absence of a primer.)  Third, they provide a uniform color, making it easier for the finish coat to cover the color of the base material.

In plastic modeling, the only one of those functions that's relevant is the third one.  Modern styrene plastic doesn't have any pores to fill, and, so far as I know, doesn't leech or otherwise secrete any nasty substances.  (In the Goode Olde Dayes, modelers frequently carved hulls from pine, and coated them with shellac or some other primer to keep the pine juices from working their way out through the paint.  That isn't necessary on plastic.)  Some people seem to think that primer makes paint stick better to plastic, but, except in unusual specific cases, that just isn't true.  Modern hobby paints, be they acrylic or solvent-based, are specifically formulated to adhere to styrene.  Putting a coat of grey or red enamel on a piece of plastic is not going to make a white finish coat stick any better.  (Metal is another matter.  Metal primers do make hobby paints stick better to metal parts.)  Washing the parts in advance isn't a bad idea; it should get rid of any residual mold release.  (I confess I've never had a problem with mold release, but other modelers say they've had difficulties with it.)  If the parts are clean, a decent, properly stirred hobby paint should have no trouble adhering to them.

Modern hobby paints are excellent; in most cases they're perfectly capable of covering styrene of any color in one coat.  That's especially true if they're airbrushed.  Brush painting a large area of white on a hull that's molded in black is more difficult, and a primer (light grey, maybe) probably will help.  It's also true that, though a single finish coat may look opaque, it may not be in reality.  If, for instance, parts of the model are molded in yellow and others are molded in black, and you paint all of them white, the white may look a little different on the yellow parts than it does on the black one.  The same logic applies if you use fillers (e.g., grey or white putty on black plastic).  The outlines of the filled areas may show faintly through the finish coat.  You then have two options:  apply additional finish coats till the difference disappears, or use a primer.

I try to avoid primers on plastic when I can, simply because every additional layer of paint, by definition, obscures the underlying detail at least a little bit.  If I were painting a white bottom on a hull molded in black, though, I'd probably spray it with a light grey primer first.  My personal preference is to use solvent-based paint (e.g., Testor's Model Master enamel) for the primer and acrylic (e.g., PolyScale) for the finished coat.  (I'm a big fan of modern acrylic hobby paints.)  The enamel dries fast, sticks firmly, and doesn't have any tendency to soften up when the acrylic finish coat is applied.  Some modelers do it the other way around:  they start with an acrylic base coat and add washes and other finish techniques using enamels.  I'd be a little concerned that the solvent-based paint on top would soften up the acrylic underneath, but if the photos in FSM can be believed, some modelers have gotten excellent results that way.

One other thing ought to be born in mind.  Acrylic and enamel paints behave differently when they dry.  I'm not a chemist or a physicist, but in layman's terms (the only ones I understand), enamel dries from the inside out and acrylic dries from the outside in.  Acrylic feels dry to the touch almost immediately, but takes some time to "grab" the surface.  (Just ask anybody who's painted the woodwork in his house with latex paint, which behaves in much the same way.)  In the early days of acrylic hobby paints, lots of modelers got frustrated with them because they rubbed off so easily.  In fact, though it may take a couple of days for the reaction to take place, acrylic will "grab" styrene pretty firmly - as firmly as enamel, or nearly so.  Modern enamels dry much faster than the old stuff did - and when enamel is dry on the surface it's safe to assume that it's adhered pretty firmly to the base material.  That's one reason why, for me personally, it makes sense to use enamel as a primer under acrylic. 

The sequence for assembling and painting the hull components is, of course, up to the individual modeler.  Generally it's best to leave the painting until as late as possible - that is, until you've assembled as many parts as you can without their getting in the way of the painting process.  (Obviously you just about have to paint the lower deck before you add the one above it.)  Another consideration is the fit of the parts.  That's an old kit.  I built mine a long time ago and I don't recall any major fit problems, but folks who've bought Heller sailing ships recently report some pretty serious problems with warpage, shrinkage, etc.  If you're going to have to use any fillers on the hull components, the time to paint the hull obviously is after the filler is in place.

Hope that helps a little.  Good luck.

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Heller Soleil Royal Build
Posted by Grymm on Friday, March 24, 2006 8:57 AM

Okay, I'm all ready to go.  I've got my colors picked.  I'm going with bronze guns, red carriages, but with a wood-colour for the wheels.  Looking at a few references I found most guns this way.  Plus, it is more pleasing to the eye, lending more detail.  I still haven't decided if I'm going to rig the guns or not, but it's not important right now.

As for the hull, as I said already, the entire hull will be a Royal Blue (my own mix.  I prefer it a little lighter), with guilding (including wales), black above the waterline, and white below.  Putting these colour scheme in my graphics program to get a good picture of what it will look like, it looks absolutely stunning. 

Now, I'm a bit nit-picky with when it comes to painting.  I prefer to paint by hand whenever I can, or use an airbrush.  I always wash the part-trees beforehand, and prime all surfaces.  What primers do people here prefer?  I use Citidel spray primers.  I like these because there are a variety of different shades available.

Oh, before I forget.  The hull.  It is in, of course, several pieces.  What would be a good way to do this?  Assemble the hull (minus decks) completely, then paint, or paint one section at a time, assemble, then paint to make it look like a single unit?   I'm of the mind to do it in sections, but the stern castle detail is considerable.  The guilding will take quite a while to do, since I'm using a liquid leaf, which will have to be polished once it's dry, then sealed to keep it from turning.

I'm hoping to start this on Saturday night or Sunday morning.  I'll be posting pics as I go, so everyone can see me pulling my hair out and throwing things around the room....

 

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