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  • Member since
    August 2003
  • From: Minsk, Belarus
Posted by Mavrik on Monday, April 24, 2006 5:45 AM
 armchair sailor wrote:

   To Mavrik, I have a question. I could not understand where to look on the 2 bottom sites as I don`t read the language so I didn`t know where to go to. Can you possible give me an idea what to look for as it`s rather confusing. Have you seen a completed model of the Kruzenshtern by this company ? Is there a site I can go view one ?   

Hello.

Sorry, it is my fault. This site does not allow direct links to pictures. When you go on the link, you are presented with a page from the hosting company. Just click on the same link in the yellow box.

Unfortunately, I did not find any photo of completed model.

Oleg.

 

  • Member since
    March 2004
Posted by Gerarddm on Saturday, April 22, 2006 10:39 PM
During Tall Ships in 1976 I was thrilled to be able to see Kruzenshtern at sea under full sail. We were doing the Newport-Bermuda Race, going up hill in light airs. She was coming down hill, everything set including probably her laundry. Passed a couple of miles away, what a sight. I bet if you did a Google search on Tall Ships as well as on her name you'd get some interesting pics. Alas, all my photos of that era were lost in a fire years ago.
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  • Member since
    April 2006
Posted by armchair sailor on Saturday, April 22, 2006 12:39 PM

   Thank you for these sites everyone. They are great.  To Mavrik, I have a question. I could not understand where to look on the 2 bottom sites as I don`t read the language so I didn`t know where to go to. Can you possible give me an idea what to look for as it`s rather confusing. Have you seen a completed model of the Kruzenshtern by this company ? Is there a site I can go view one ? Thanks for your help......... till future times............

    

  • Member since
    August 2003
  • From: Minsk, Belarus
Posted by Mavrik on Friday, April 21, 2006 7:09 AM

Hello.

It is a model of Kruzenshtern made by Russian company Ogonek; its scale is approximately 1/200. It is an original kit. Ogonek makes several other ship models: Goto Predistinatsia (~ 1/96), Orel (~ 1/96), Tovarisch (~ 1/160).

I hope this links will be usefull: http://www.shipmodeling.ru/draw/Sailship/Russia/Kruzenshtern/index.htm
http://wunderwaffe.narod.ru/Magazine/MK/1998_03/Draw/12.jpg
http://wunderwaffe.narod.ru/Magazine/MK/1998_03/Draw/24.jpg

Best regards,
Oleg

  • Member since
    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 21, 2006 5:37 AM

I could see Kruzenshtern in 2004 in Antwerp.  Here are some pictures I took :

http://gallery.drydockmodels.com/album119

She began life as the Padua when she was launched in 1926 to join the Flying P Line as a nitrate carrier, working round Cape Horn to South America. With the end of the nitrate trade she moved to the grain trade and made several trips to Port Lincoln in Australia. Like all the big steel barques of the Flying P Line she was built to be hard driven - indeed the skippers of these magnificent vessels were instructed to seek out gales in order to make the fastest passages possible! To this end the Padua once reeled off 351 nautical miles noon to noon and went out to Port Lincoln from Hamburg in 67 days. After the war she was taken over by the USSR and renamed after the famous Russian navigator and hydrographer, Admiral Ivan Kruzenshtern. Her cargo carrying days over, she has since been used as a training vessel for cadets going in for a career in the Fishery Board.

Michel

 

  • Member since
    May 2003
  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Friday, April 21, 2006 5:23 AM

I've never seen the kit and I'm not familiar with the manufacturer.  I have seen the ship a couple of times.  She's a magnificent, imposing vessel and would make a beautiful model - though at that size the scale must be awfully small. 

Back in the late seventies and early eighties Heller produced three latter-day sailing ships on 1/150 scale:  the 4-masted barques Pamir and Passat (virtually identical kits, I think; the real vessels were in fact sister ships) and the 5-masted full-rigged ship Preussen (different major components, though some of the fittings from the other two kits may have been recycled).  Heller kits have been known to show up in Russian boxes; it's possible that this is a reboxing of the Pamir/Passat.  If so, it's a pretty nice kit - with a few small caveats.  Those latter-day steel sailing ships present some big problems for plastic kit manufacturers.  Some of their most characteristic and important features were the mechanical deck furniture - Jarvis brace winches, halyard winches, donkey engines, and so forth.  That sort of machinery is extremely hard to reproduce in styrene on such a small scale.  The rigging also is problematic; there's an enormous amount of it in such a ship, and such things as blocks and rigging screws (no deadeyes on a ship like this, fortunately) have to be downright tiny.  But Heller did about as good a job as could reasonably be expected, given the limitations of injection-molding and mass production.

I believe the Kruzenshtern (sp.???) was built in Germany before WWII - like the Pamir and Passat.  How similar she actually is to those vessels I'd have to do some digging to find out.  (Maybe one of our European members knows off the top of his head.)  If you can post pictures - preferably including some shots of the kit parts - maybe I or some other Forum member can help identify the kit.  At least one Forum member is working on a Heller Pamir.

Sounds like an interesting project.  Good luck.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

  • Member since
    April 2006
Russian sailing ship model
Posted by armchair sailor on Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:45 PM

      Hello everyone,

                    I just purchased a model of the Russian 4 masted sailing ship of the Pamir/Pruessen class , it`s name eludes me now but begins with a "k" ( Krushenstern or whatever..........hey, it`s in Russian ! ) and I`d like to know if anyone has built this model or has photos of this kit. The company name is Orohek ( in Russian ) and all the instructions are in Russian !

                      Detail is not that great but the hull is fairly well done. The length of the hull is approximately  20 ".  The masts look very basic as well as the deck fittings. This might be a fun build to see what can be made of it. Did this kit originate  from an older western company or is this a Russian original? Any info would be appreciated......   If I can I`ll have my daughter show the old fogy how to post a picture of the box cover and kit on this site to let you have a peek at it .

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