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Posted by alross2 on Friday, November 11, 2016 1:25 PM

BlueJacket   www.bluejacketinc.com  sells the photo etch frets for its kits separately.  There are at least five for 1/96 sailing ships, two of which have the hammock net cranes (CONSTITUTION & ALFRED).  Here's what they look like:

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/alross2/BJ%20BRASS/CONNIE_zpsseut9fkb.jpg

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/alross2/BJ%20BRASS/ALFRED_zpsawn6xqgc.jpg

The others are ALABAMA, KEARSARGE, & RED JACKET

Al Ross

 

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Posted by fright on Friday, November 11, 2016 11:37 AM

Powder Monkey - I came across your post on making photo-etched stanchions for hammocks. Did you ever attempt making them? How did they turn out? I agree with jtilley's remark that it would be great if someone would make some after-market parts for 1:96 scale sailing ships.

 

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Posted by jtilley on Saturday, July 8, 2006 12:03 AM

I really like the idea of using screen door material for hammock nettings on this scale.  It would have been too coarse for my 1/128 Hancock model, but on 1/96 (or 1/100) it looks just about right.  And the nylon (or vinyl, or whatever it is) that's used nowadays to replace old-fashioned metal window screens is nice, workable stuff.

The covers over the stowed hammocks were called hammock cloths.  They frequently were painted - usually black in the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries, to match the bulwarks.  In the late seventeenth and early eighteenth centuries they sometimes were painted red.  Some English warships of that period were fitted with "arming cloths," which looked similar from a distance but apparently were intended primarily for decoration.  They were simple pieces of fabric, painted red or some other bright color and hung on stanchions around the bulwarks and the tops.

Eventually (I don't know just when, but sometime after the Napoleonic Wars) it became customary to replace the hammock nettings with "hammock troughs" made out of boards.  The Constitution had that configuration for many years.  In many photos, including those taken when she was serving as a museum ship, prior to about the mid-1970s, her bulwarks are higher than they are in the Revell kit, and she has bulwarks in her waist.  What we're looking at in those photos are the hammock troughs.  LATER ADDENDUM:  I think I oversimplified that a little.  I'm pretty sure that at some time in the nineteenth century - I don't know when -  the Constitution's bulwarks were rebuilt and the tops of what had been the hammock troughs were covered with wood rails.  The bulwarks in the waist also were planked up, so the bulwarks ran (except for the entry ports) all around the ship. 

Regarding exposed hammocks on a model - I don't take on model projects of that sort without doing my homework first.  Plenty of contemporary illustrations depict the hammocks in the nettings with and without hammock cloths.  It would make sense that the latter would be used in rough weather, and left off during fine weather so the hammocks could air out a little.  (Sanitation, as we would define it, wasn't high on the list of concerns in the days of the sailing warship, but that hammock, with the sailor's modest bedding rolled up inside it, must have been pretty rank.)  Contemporary models rarely show either hammocks or hammock cloths.  Sometimes they just show the stanchions, and no nettings; sometimes they omit even the stanchions (along with the guns and various other pieces of equipment.)  For a modern model any of those configurations can certainly be justified. 

There were indeed regulations regarding the number of turns that were to be taken around the stowed hammocks.  It sticks in my mind that the prescribed number was seven, but it's been a while since I read it.

Hammock stanchions (sometimes known as "hammock cranes") came in quite a variety of styles.  Sometimes an iron rod was fitted over the top of the U-shaped stanchion to restrain the hammocks at the end of a rail; sometimes a simple piece of rope served the same purpose.  Sometimes one "leg" of the crane had a smaller u-shaped fitting forged in with it, rather than an eye; the fitting held a wood batten to which the netting was secured.  And sometimes the netting was worked into a shape that would restrain the hammocks at the ends as well as the size. 

Revell's rendition of the Constitution's hammock netting stanchions - i.e., with a pair of simple, horizontal ropes rather than nettings - isn't necessarily incorrect.  That's how the famous Isaac Hull model is rigged, and contemporary illustrations confirm that such a configuration was indeed used sometimes - though the ropes most likely would have gone through holes in the stanchions rather than be wrapped around them, as the Revell instructions suggest.

I had an interesting conversation once with an old friend who'd served in the U.S. Navy during the period of transition from the hammock to the steel-framed bunk (shortly before World War II).  Having slept in both, he said he strongly preferred the hammock.  He found it easier on his back, and far easier to sleep in when the ship was rolling.

Powder Monkey - your offer regarding photo-etched parts is, I'm sure, deeply appreciated by many of us.  I just may take you up on it eventually.  I've been thinking about ordering the photo-etching outfit that MicroMark offers (for about $100), but I suspect the equipment at your disposal is far more sophisticated.

L Hill - Beautiful avatar.  It's mighty small on my monitor, but it looks suspiciously like the Elizabeth 2.  Does that imply that you're located in North Carolina?  If so, please consider joining our ship model club, which meets at the NC Maritime Museum in Beaufort.  We're on the annual summer hiatus at the moment; the next meeting will be on the last Friday in September, at 2:00. 

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 7, 2006 9:11 PM
I must say that that Connie is sure looking good Andrew.  I look forward to seeing it complete
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Posted by Chuck Fan on Friday, July 7, 2006 8:17 PM

1.  When hammocks are actually stowed in the hammock netting bins, the whole hammock netting bins would be covered with water-tight canvas cover to keep out the spray and keep the hammocks reasonably dry.   When this canvas covering is in place, you wouldn't be able to see either the netting or the hammocks.  You will just see what appears to be a sail colored bulwurk.  .    I think it would be somewhat odd, and unrepresentative, to depict a ship with her hammock netting full of hammocks but no canvas cover upon them.

2.  The hammock netting themselves are not arranged merely in a U shape between the hammock cranes.  The ends are actually closed up so the netting forms a bin for the hammocks to be stowed in.

3.  The USN probably had regulations regarding how hammocks must be rolled for storage in the nettings.  RN certainly had such regulations strictly proscribing how to roll and fold the hammocks so they take up least space in the hammock netting and present the greatest resistence to musket balls.  RN officers were known to stand by the hammocks, holding a regulation iron bar and iron hoop in hand.   The sailors must show their folded hammocks parcel to be the same length as the regulation iron bar, and fits through the regulation iron hoop.   If not, the sailor would be required to re-roll his hammock.     Before you start folding your own hammock out of tissue paper, you should investigate what size and shape the folded hammocks should actually be.

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Posted by Powder Monkey on Friday, July 7, 2006 2:41 PM
 jtilley wrote:

It sure would be nice if some aftermarket photo-etched parts manufacturer would produce some parts for sailing ships.  (Bluejacket does a few, but nowhere near enough to really exploit the medium.)  Hammock netting stanchions - and hammock netting itself - would be great subjects for photo-etching. 



I would be willing to make some photoetch parts. I would need some help with the initial layout. Even a sketch would work. I can convert to CAD. I just need to know the size of things. The parts I did for the USCG Eagle I developed by measuring photos, parts from the kit and a copy of the plans I got from JTilley. There was a little bit of eyeball measurement thrown in too.

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Posted by jtilley on Friday, July 7, 2006 11:50 AM

In every picture I've seen the netting has been installed so the grid is in the "diamond" pattern.  I suspect there were exceptions, though; it doesn't seem like it would keep the hammocks in place either way.

Several aftermarket part companies make beautiful photo-etched brass mesh that probably would work beautifully for this purpose - though it's not cheap.  Another, much more economical alternative is the sewing supply store, where you can find a wide variety of synthetic mesh fabrics.  Just look for one with a square-mesh (not hexagonal) grid of about the right density. Don't worry about the color; you can paint it any color you like.

Beware of those Revell plastic hammock netting stanchions.  They don't look bad, but they're awfully fragile - and located in beautiful locations to snag lines during the rigging process.  (I speak from bitter experience.)  Wire replacements would be an excellent idea.  If I remember correctly, the Constitution's hammock netting stanchions come in only two sizes - deep ones for the waist and quite shallow ones for the quarterdeck and forecastle rails.  Much simpler than the Victory's, which are in lots of different lengths.

It sure would be nice if some aftermarket photo-etched parts manufacturer would produce some parts for sailing ships.  (Bluejacket does a few, but nowhere near enough to really exploit the medium.)  Hammock netting stanchions - and hammock netting itself - would be great subjects for photo-etching. 

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by Andrew Sergi on Friday, July 7, 2006 11:46 AM
Thanks alot guys I am definatly going to try making the hammocks with that procedure.  The mesh by the way is actually just  the material you put in a screen door! I was walking home from school, passed by Home Depot and just figured I could find something.  So yeah I ended up buying a good 6 square feet when i only needed about a foot! Either way it worked out great! I cant wait to see how the hammocks look in it.
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Posted by Grymm on Friday, July 7, 2006 7:51 AM

 I'm adding those pics of the constitution build to my ever growing library of reference material for my own 1/96 Constitution.  That build is looking great.

I've also thought of adding the netting to mine.  I'm busy looking around for some good material to use.  You said you got yours at a hardware store.  What section of Lowes/Home Depot would that be in? 

JTilley, I've got a question for you.  The netting itself.  When applied, is it set so the netting is square, or as a diamond pattern?

Thanks,

Grymm

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Posted by jtilley on Friday, July 7, 2006 12:00 AM

Fine looking model.  The metal mesh seems to have worked well.  It may, in fact, be a trifle too fine - but better to err that way than in the other direction.

Few models seem to include the actual hammocks in the nettings.  They're usually shown either empty, or with the canvas covers over them. When I was working on my little model of the Continental frigate Hancock I decided to make the individual hammocks - largely for pragmatic reasons.  Etched brass mesh wasn't available in those days (the early eighties); I made the hammock nettings out of a fine synthetic fabric mesh.  (In retrospect, it's definitely too fine for the scale.)  I couldn't get it to sag realistically, so I decided to put the hammocks in it as a means of stiffening it. 

I made them out of the same material I used for the furled sails:  fine tissue paper painted with a mixture of acrylic paint and white glue.  I painted a sheet of the stuff, cut it into hammock-sized pieces, rolled each hammock up, wound a piece of thread around it in a spiral, doubled the "hammock" over, and used the rest of the thread to secure it.  When I'd made enough to fill up one section of netting, I put a small dollup of white glue on each of them and stuffed them into the nettings.  I'm satisfied with the result, though I'm not convinced it was worth the considerable amount of time it took.  I'm not sure whether I'd do it that way again or not.

Here are some pictures, courtesy of our good Forum friend Michel.vrtg:  

http://www.hmsvictoryscalemodels.be/JohnTilleyHancock/index.html

Good luck.

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Hammock rails?
Posted by Andrew Sergi on Thursday, July 6, 2006 9:14 PM

Hi again everybody.  My 1/96 Constitution's hull is nearly complete, but I have a question.  I bought these very fine mesh screens at home depot, trimmed them down and put them in the hammock rails for detail instead of the instructed three lines of rigging.  Now I am wondering about putting actual hammocks in them, atleast in the port and starbord stern sections atleast.  What material should I use? Also, does anyone know how the hammocks where actually stored in them? (brick pattern, strait collumn, etc.) Below are pictures of the rails, the mesh I think worked out quite well.  A little tedious to superglue to each pole in succession, but always worth it :-)

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v315/ajssurg25/ART%20WORK/constitution005.jpg"

<img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v315/ajssurg25/ART%20WORK/jjjj.jpg

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