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A list of Heller sailing ships

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A list of Heller sailing ships
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 10, 2006 1:11 PM

Hi, all!

Here is a list of the kits of sailing ships Heller produced.

In this list, you can find the scale, the first year of production.

s-h means : same hull, as you know, several Heller models have the same hull.

I do not have informations about some models, marked ???

The informations can be found in J.C. Carbonel's book "Heller - la maquette à la française"

I give you the informations, because the book is only available in French, and will not be published in English. (Histoire & Collections editor)

In this list, you can find too some wooden models, produced in 1998, and a paper model.

Albatros ???  1962 ex-Pyro

Alcyon  1/150  1971  s-h Amphitrite, Belle Etoile, Fauvette

Amerigo Vespucci  1/150  1978

Amphitrite  1/150  1969

Atlantic Star  1/440  1996   ex-Airfix

Barque de Saint Tropez  1/20  1998  wood

Beagle  1/100  1963  ex Revell

Belle Etoile  1/200 – 1/250  1970

Belle Isle ??? 1961 Ex Pyro

Bireme Imperator  1/75  1974

Bireme Imperator  1/225  1978

Bisquine de Cancale  1/40  1998  wood

Bonhomme Richard  1/500  1964  sold to Smer in 1986 (polybags bought later)

Bounty  1/87  1991  Ex Airfix

Brigantine  1/100  1971 s-h Pourquoi Pas? , Occident

C.Colomb 1/75 1991 box with S.Maria, Pinta, Nina

Cap Horn  1/150  1991

Capricorne  1/150   1979

Coffret tripack bateaux Pamir, Pourquoi Pas?, Drakkar  1996

Conquistador  1/90  1971  Santa Maria variant

Corona  1/200  1971  s-h Stella

Corsair  1/150  1984

Couronne (la) Rapid Kit 1/600  1996

Cutty Sark  1/130  1992  Ex Airfix

Cutty Sark 1/500 1996 ex Airfix

Dragon classe olympique 1/30  1998  wood

Drakkar  1/180  1986

Drakkar  1996  paper

Drakkar Oseberg  1/60  1971  S-h Reine Mathilde

Duchesse Anne ??? Schooner, ex-Pyro

Epervier  1/200  1961  Ex Pyro

Flying Cloud  1/200 1988

Galion  1/200  1970  s-h La Couronne

Galion  1/450  1977

Golden Hind  1/200  1987  Ex Revell

Gorch Fock  1/150  1977  Sold to Revell

Gorch Fock 1/600  1978

Grande Hermine  1/150  1979

Guillaume Le Conquérant  1/60  1999 (Reine Mathilde)

HMS Elizabethan  1/200  1986

HMS Victory  1/100  1979

Jonque (junk) Ex-Imai  1/60  1993

Kurun (cotre – cutter)  1/60  1984

L’Indomptable  1/200  1969  s-h Le Phénix

L’Orgueilleuse  1/500  1964

La Belle Poule  1/200  1978

La Couronne 1/200 1977

La Couronne  1/600 1982

Nina  1/75-1/90  1969

Pinta  1/90  1969

La Providence  1/500  1964

La Réale 1/450  1977 sold to LODELA

La Réale (de France)  1/75  1975

La Reine Mathilde  1/60  1971  s-h  Oseberg

Santa Maria  1/270  1968  Sold to Smer in 1986, polybags bought later

Santa Maria  1/350  1996  Ex-Airfix

Santa Maria  1/75 – 1/90  1966

La Sardane  1/50  1978

La Sirène  1/150-1/200  1968  s-h Royal Louis

La Stella  1/200  1971  s-h La Corona  (from Van Stok – Rotterdam drawings)

La Tartane  1/150  1979

Le Capricorne  1/150  1979

Le Chebec  1/50  1976

Le Gladiateur  1/200  1986

Le Glorieux  1/150  1978  s-h Le Superbe

Le Mataro  1/75  1969  Pinta variant

Le Phénix  1/150  1967  s-h L’Indomptable

Le Phénix  1/600  1970

Le Royal Louis  1/200-1/400  1968  s-h La Sirène

Le Royal Louis  1/600  1970

Le Saint Louis  1/200  1978

Le Soleil Royal  1/100  1974

Le Sphinx  1961  ex-Pyro

Le Superbe  1/150  1977 s-h Le Glorieux

Le Superbe  1/500  1982

Leif Eriksson  1/600 1992  box with drakkar and Reine Mathilde

Maxi Catamaran “Playstation” 1/125

Mayflower  1/150  1987  Ex-Revell

Occident  1/100  1970  s-h Pourquoi Pas? And brigantine

Occident  1/400 1973

Pamir  1/150  1973  s-h Passat

Pamir 1/750  1978

Passat  1/150  1973  s-h Pamir

Pilote de Saint Malo  1/35  1998  wood

Pourquoi Pas ?  1/100  1970  s-h Occident and Brigantine,  sold to Ogoniek

Pourquoi Pas ?  1/200  1969

Pourquoi Pas ?  1/400  1973 s-h Occident and Brigantine

Preussen  1/150   1980  s-h Cap Horn

Sardinier d’ Audierne  1/35  1998  wood

Sinagot  1/60  1979

Thonier Armor  1/125  1978

Thonier de Concarneau  1/50  1998  wood

 

 

Michel

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 10, 2006 1:39 PM

Epervier  1/200  1961  Ex Pyro. Wonder what she was boxed as Pyrokit ? Or ITC or Life-Like or Lindberg, unless the models were only used by Pyro and Heller.

I have Sirene and Phenix. Both have the same hull. Also have Gladieuter and Indompitable. Both have the same hull. Did not notice the combination mentioned above for the these hulls.

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 10, 2006 2:08 PM

Celestino,

Le Phenix was the first sailing ship model made by Heller (followed by S.Maria, Pinta and Nina), the models they sold before were ex-Pyro models (Duchesse Anne was an ex-Pyro schooner, Albatros was also an ex-Pyro model, Sphinx was an ex-Pyro  steamboat).

You are right, the informations are  not complete, some informations can still be added.

Also, please note, that, sometimes, Heller changed the scale of their models, I mean, Santa Maria was first sold as a 1/90 model and, later, the same model was sold as a 1/75 scale model 

Michel

 

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Posted by EPinniger on Friday, August 11, 2006 4:46 AM
Many thanks for posting this - I'll add the information to my database/list ASAP.
There are quite a few kits here I've never heard of before!

What's the actual scale of the three Columbus ships, 1/75 or 1/90? The latter seems more likely. I'm building the Nina at the minute and it seems a bit small for 1/75. Whether it's an accurate model of the real Nina I don't know (presumably nobody ever will!) but it definitely seems like a good representation of a 15th-century caravel.
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Posted by jtilley on Friday, August 11, 2006 6:45 AM
This is one case where we probably shouldn't be too hard on Heller.  Since we don't know the dimensions of Columbus's ships - or much else about them - it's entirely possible that the Heller kits could be either 1/75 or 1/90.  The discrepancy amounts to 20%.  I don't think any maritime historian would be comfortable estimating the sizes of those ships with greater precision than that.

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Posted by EPinniger on Friday, August 11, 2006 9:38 AM
To Michel - Do you have any information on the subjects represented by these kits? (i.e period, nation, type of ship)?
Quite a few are ones I've never seen or heard of before and even many of the ones I have heard of I'm not entirely sure what they are!
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Posted by jwintjes on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 5:37 AM

 jtilley wrote:
This is one case where we probably shouldn't be too hard on Heller.  Since we don't know the dimensions of Columbus's ships - or much else about them - it's entirely possible that the Heller kits could be either 1/75 or 1/90.  The discrepancy amounts to 20%.  I don't think any maritime historian would be comfortable estimating the sizes of those ships with greater precision than that.

As a funny footnote to this problem, I usually use two gangs of sailors to test the scale of my models - the 1/72 ones that I sent aboard Nina and Pinta didn't like it there - far too cramped... I'd say Nina and Pinta definitely are originally designed as 1/100.

Jorit

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Posted by EPinniger on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 8:18 AM
 jwintjes wrote:
As a funny footnote to this problem, I usually use two gangs of sailors to test the scale of my models - the 1/72 ones that I sent aboard Nina and Pinta didn't like it there - far too cramped... I'd say Nina and Pinta definitely are originally designed as 1/100.

Jorit



This is why I thought these kits were probably closer to 1/90 than 1/75. The 1/72 figures from the Airfix Golden Hind were obviously too large for the ladders, boat, hatches, etc. (not to mention the "crow's nest" on the main mast - even a 1/100 figure will barely fit in this) - those from the Revell Santa Maria and Bounty look OK.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 4:58 PM

EP,

I'd like to send you some pictures, you see the link to my website, contact me from there, so I'll send you some pictures.

Michel

 

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Posted by EPinniger on Saturday, August 19, 2006 7:07 AM
Did you receive my e-mail?
(note: I'll be away from tomorrow until Friday, and will not be able to answer any e-mails until then)
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Posted by rcboater on Saturday, August 19, 2006 10:19 PM
Heller also has a 1/600 scale USCGC Eagle, probably the same hull as the Gorch Fock....


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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 20, 2006 6:08 AM

RC, you are right, this is a 1954-2001 list.

There are still many informations to collect.  According to JC Carbonel, Leo Jahiel did not know much about the sailing ships models, he wanted to give them French names, but they sold well.

Michel

 

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