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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 30, 2006 3:31 AM
 Vintage Aircraft wrote:

Concerning the thread though, not to be rude or anything but it seems to have been hijaked from links to put in the web site, to one asking for and discussing Revell Monogram Ship kits, this is by no means a bad thing though.

The skies the limit,

VA

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If not already asked for: do you have some figures on how big the "sailing ship" section actually is in your company? I guess there are a lot of experts on aircrafts in your company. But are there any knowledgeable persons on sailing ships there?

Thanks,
Kater Felix
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Posted by Vintage Aircraft on Monday, August 28, 2006 1:14 PM

Alright....alright....I did feel that this would happen, after, all if I were in your guys position Id be doing the same thingBig Smile [:D]Wink [;)]

But just so you guys know Revell is listening and is going to be trying to come out with new kits. I cant say what but keep looking.

Ill keep pushing this though, Check out the 1/72 Gato when it comes out it REALLY is worth the cash.

The skies the limit,

VA

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Posted by Grem56 on Monday, August 28, 2006 12:29 PM

Sheesh VA, of course this is going to be hi-jacked as soon as you stick your head above the battlements as Revell employee. This is too good a chance to pass up !

Now where is that 1/96th Cutty Sark reissue? Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Julian

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Posted by GeorgeW on Monday, August 28, 2006 10:59 AM

Hello VA,

I suppose it is inevitable that members of a forum such as this, having made contact with an actual employee of the Revell company, should take the opportunity to put forward their views about company products, having been starved for so long particularly of any new period ship models.

It should I think be taken as an indication of the ongoing interest in products of this type which can only be good news for your company, and I only hope that somewhere down the line some note is taken of the opinions expressed here.

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Posted by Vintage Aircraft on Monday, August 28, 2006 10:15 AM

Sorry for the absencense, I have not had the oportunity to log on for a few days now.

I must say I am glad for the imput concerning ship kits and new models, I can tell you that we are well aware of the need from every group of model builder and are currently making a strive twords developing cutting edge kits be it ships, aircraft, or cars.  A good example of this is the new 1/72 Gato Sub kit, I have had the pleasure of seeing the test shots and assisiting in some of the test kits assembly. I also wrote the press release for the kit.

I cant tell you the finer points of the kit, but let me say this, I am an avivid aircraft modeler who has not built a sub/ship kit ever, and I can tell you that I was so impressed with this kit that I will be buying one instead of the 1/48 Trumpeter Wellington Bomber I have been waiting for for some time now.

Concerning the thread though, not to be rude or anything but it seems to have been hijaked from links to put in the web site, to one asking for and discussing Revell Monogram Ship kits, this is by no means a bad thing though.

The skies the limit,

VA

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 28, 2006 3:37 AM
But at least he tried to start-off to talk to the community. A couple of months ago it happend that I wrote an email to Revell Germany to ask  about the motivation for their Beagle. But as life goes they never replied. I can only speculate whether the engineer responsible for the re-issue of the Beagle got the email at all. It is often the case with companies that complaints are stored into the "mad insubordiante customer folder" by the secretary.

I do not find the link anymore. But there was the review of a Russian fellow who ranted about a particular aircraft kit. His review of the kit was rather negative. However, the company who produces the kit in question put out some in depth comments on their website in favor of the kit and tried to adress the negative review.

Revell should follow such a practise for the Beagle.

Regards,
Kater Felix
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Posted by jtilley on Sunday, August 27, 2006 9:45 AM

I find it interesting that Vintage Aircraft, who started this thread and is an employee of Revell Monogram, hasn't contributed to the thread since his initial post.  (Admittedly, that was only four days ago; if he hasn't had the opportunity to check the site since that time, that's certainly understandable.)

V/A - your initial query has brought some responses that you probably didn't expect.  A community of modelers is telling you about some things that are of considerable importance to us.  There obviously is a widespread perception that Revell Monogram has virtually abandoned serious, adult ship modelers - especially those whose interests lie in the sailing ship period.  Can you offer us some assurance that the company is at least slightly interested in the things we've been saying in this thread?  I'm sure anything you have to say about Revell Monogram's plans for ship models would be of enormous interest.

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Posted by GeorgeW on Sunday, August 27, 2006 8:31 AM

Mr Tilley expresses perfectly my views on this subject, and Revell should take note.

I regret to admit I am a victim of the 'Beagle ' scam having bought the thing with a view to doing a diorama set in the Galapagos Islands based on a painting by John Chancellor, an English Artist.

There is now  no realistic chance of me doing the project with this kit and it will no doubt end up a few years down the road as a curiosity on ebay.

Regardless of the original ethos of Revell, alas I suspect the model manufacturing companies are driven only by the men in grey suits looking at cost benefit ratios, which may be necessary in a harsh commercial world, but bodes ill for we members of the period ship fraternity who do not feature in company plans.

I remain to be convinced, but perhaps if  the interest on this and other web sites are viewed as the tip of an iceberg, just maybe the companies can be persuaded that there is a market out there and re-invest in period ship modelling.

Ah well one can dream.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 27, 2006 5:40 AM
I was honestly thinking the Revell site runs a query for "would like to have re-issued" ships. I blieve such a form sheet was available some years ago.

However, it would be a good idea to submitt your ideas via their "contact point" at the Revell site Germany. I do not think they read the forum.

Reading English for them should be the minor problem I guess.

But let us extend it a little bit further: what are important sailing ship kits comming from Heller which never should disappear? And what are such kits from Airfix. At the moment I think Airfix only puts out the "Wasa". But I sometimes see old Airfix kits on ebay.

Btw: does anyone know what all happend with all the old mouldings lets say from Lindberg or Pyro? It would be a pity they disappear someday and there would have been a chance for lets say Heller or Revell to salvage it prior to that occurence.

Regards,
Kater Felix

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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:01 PM

For what little it's worth, here's my personal list of Revell ships I'd like to see reissued (in no particular order):

Powered ships:

U.S.S. Olympia

Four-stack destroyer

U.S.S. Forrest Sherman

S.S. Brasil (or Argentina)

Calypso

Great Eastern

U.S.C.G.C. Campbell

U.S.C.G.C. Eastwind

Steamboat Robert E. Lee (preferably with the original hull, rather than the artificially deepened one that accomodated the motor and batteries of the motorized version)

Sailing vessels:

Mayflower

Golden Hind

Cutty Sark (1/96)

Flying Cloud

Charles W. Morgan

Viking Ship

Santa Maria

Yacht America

Batavia

I've left off the U.S.C.G.C. Eagle because (through, I think, a perfectly honest mistake back in the fifties) it's based on a defective set of plans and the hull proportions are significantly distorted.  (But I would be happy to see it reissued as the Gorch Fock I, which it represents fairly accurately - except for such things as the 1950s-vintage American motor launches.)

I echo RCBoater's comment regarding re-labeled reissues.  I rather suspect none of the people currently employed by Revell Germany had anything to do with the practice to which he refers; indeed, the current management may not even be aware that it went on.  But repackaging ship model kits with names on them that have no real relation to the parts in the box is an extremely deceptive practice; it really amounts to outright fraud.  The examples of which I am aware are as follows:

"H.M.S. Beagle."  Probably the most egregious case.  The kit is a modified reissue of the Revell H.M.S. Bounty.  The real Beagle resembled the real Bounty only in having a hull, a deck and three masts.

"Thermopylae."  The kits (on two scales) are modified reissues of the Cutty Sark.  The real vessels resembled each other from a distance - but that's all.

"Pedro Nunes."  That was the name given to the Thermopylae when she was serving as a Portuguese school ship.  The kit is another reincarnation of the Cutty Sark.

"Stag Hound."  A ludicrously modified reissue of the Flying Cloud.

"S.M.S. Seeadler."  A modified reissue of the U.S.C.G.C. Eagle.  It bears scarcely any resemblance to the real Seeadler.

"C.S.S. Alabama."  A modified reissue of the U.S.S. Kearsarge.  Not as inexcusable as most of the others, perhaps, in that at the time it was released, in 1961, not much hard information about the real Alabama was readily available.  And the two ships did look quite a bit like each other, and there were quite a few differences between the two kits.  But modern research has established that the kit bears little resemblance to the real Alabama.

U.S.S. United States.  Not as bad as most of the others.  The United States and Constitution were sister-ships, and the Revell 1/96-scale version of the United States does make an attempt at representing the biggest difference:  the raised poop deck.  But at best it barely qualifies as an accurate scale model.  The 1/192 version, which currently is in the Revell Germany catalog, is a straight reissue of the old Constitution kit; marketing it as the United States is fraudulent.

Revell has issued at least two kits labeled "Spanish Galleon."  One was a slightly modified reissue of the excellent Golden Hind kit.  The Golden Hind was no more a Spanish Galleon than the destroyer H.M.S. Cossack was a Japanese battleship.  And the larger "Spanish Galleon" kit was a completely fictitious disaster, based on "research" in the library of a movie studio.  (My source on that point is Dr. Thomas Graham's Remembering Revell Model Kits.)  This kit was reissued (in slightly modified form) as an "Elizabethan Man O' War."  If neither version ever sees the light of day again, the world of scale ship modeling will be the better for their absence.

I'm sure everybody in this Forum is pleased to learn that a representative of Revell is actually paying attention to it.  Revell used to be one of the leaders in the field of scale ship model kits.  The year 2007 will mark the thirtieth birthday of the last genuinely new sailing ship kit released by Revell of the U.S. (the excellent little Viking ship).  It would be wonderful if the company were to take a serious interest in that sort of subject matter again.  I hope a good look at this Forum will convince the management of the company that a market for historically accurate plastic sailing ship kits actually does exist.

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Posted by rcboater on Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:44 AM

I know you don't have control over past sins, but please-- no more bogus reboxings of kits under misleading (or downright flase and deceptive) names!

If you peruse this forum, you'll see a number of examples discussed.  For example, don't release the Flyind Cloud as the Stag Hound-- the kit in the box looks nothing like the real Stag Hound. (It islike taking a model of a Spitfire , boxing it with German decals, and calling it a Bf-109. Hey- they're both single engine prop WW2 fighters, right? )

I don't want this to be construed as a Revell-bashing post.  I, for one, want to commend Revell for doign the big subs in 1.72-- I have a Type VII, and I plan on buying the Gato when it comes out. 

Also, the release of the Kearsarge shows there is still demand for those old sailign ship kits-- my favorite that hasn't been seen in a long time is the Yacht America.  That is a good model for beginners- a famous ship, looks good on the mantel, and not to complicated to rig.

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Posted by Grem56 on Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:35 AM

Bless you for mentioning this Jtilley. I have been searching all over for either the 1/96th Cutty Sark or the Thermopylae.

A reissue would be most excellent !

Julian

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Posted by sirdrake on Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:29 AM
 Katzennahrung wrote:

The German Revell site has an option to vote for re-issues of out of production kits. I think people should fill out the form and express their wishes.



What's the link to the form? I had a look at the German Revell web site, but couldn't find anything.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:10 AM
 jtilley wrote:

The above posts contain some good advice regarding modern warship models.  Does Revell Monogram have an interest in pre-twentieth-century ships (i.e., sailing ships)?  If so, I can suggest some links - and, in the unlikely event that the company is interested in getting back into the sailing ship business, some subjects. 

The first plea I would make in that area, though, is that the management consider bringing back some of the old Revell sailing ship kits that are currently off the market.  The big Cutty Sark, for example, should never be allowed to disappear from the shelves of the hobby shops - but it isn't in the current catalog of either Revell Monogram or Revell Germany.



The German Revell site has an option to vote for re-issues of out of production kits. I think people should fill out the form and express their wishes.

However, I do not understand why there are no more kits available. Ebay international has often some older kits from Revell or Heller or Airfix. And people are interested in such sailing ship kits!

I for one am happy that I do no longer wooden ship kits. For my case and limited time budget doing plastic historic sailing ship kits pleases me much more.

Regards,
Kater Felix
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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:11 AM

The above posts contain some good advice regarding modern warship models.  Does Revell Monogram have an interest in pre-twentieth-century ships (i.e., sailing ships)?  If so, I can suggest some links - and, in the unlikely event that the company is interested in getting back into the sailing ship business, some subjects. 

The first plea I would make in that area, though, is that the management consider bringing back some of the old Revell sailing ship kits that are currently off the market.  The big Cutty Sark, for example, should never be allowed to disappear from the shelves of the hobby shops - but it isn't in the current catalog of either Revell Monogram or Revell Germany.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 9:07 PM

www.hyperscale.com as well.

 

 

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Posted by AJB93 on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 6:58 PM
Two sites:

www.steelnavy.com

and my site. Very informal, no domain name of my own yet, although Tim Dike over at Modelwarships.com is helping me change that.

Wait, ships, what does this mean.?! Does it mean what I hope it means??!!
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Posted by MBT70 on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 4:19 PM
One of my favorites is ModelWarships.com.  It's an awesome site and they post lots of links, too.  And, hey ... great to have you here!
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Posted by EdGrune on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 4:19 PM

The number one site that you must link with is navsource.org.    This is perhaps the most complete photo archive and history archive site for all US Navy ships of all eras

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Posted by Vintage Aircraft on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 3:55 PM
Fellow builders I have come to you for assistance, I have recently (within the last several months) become an official employee for the model Company Revell Monogram, I work in Marketing, Public Relations, and assist in product development. 

   We are currently working twords redesigning our web site and one of the things that we would like to add would be links for the following things.

    Links to Ship aftermarket company sites.

    Links to good sites in which to do research for building model Ships, sites that would have pictures, diagrams, the history of the ships ect...............

     Since I am an avid ww2 aircraft modeler, I know the level of knowledge that this forum has and have seen the level of expertese grow over the years here, I am confident that the model building community will be able to assist myself and Revell in this matter.

Thank you for your time

The Skies the Limit,

VA

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