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Sailing ship kit database - New version 26/9/06

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Posted by Paul5910 on Monday, October 2, 2006 12:28 AM
Mr. EPinniger,

I recieved a printout of your database and I just keep saying "wow!"  Nice work.. Thanks for the effort.

Paul
MJH
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Posted by MJH on Sunday, October 1, 2006 9:25 PM
 steves wrote:
Epinniger,

Another was called "Ocean Cruiser" (I think) which was actually Palawan IV, a Sparkman and Stevens designed 60-something foot aluminum ketch with dual centerboards.  The scale, I believe, was slightly smaller, maybe 1/35 or 1/37.




You got the scale neatly bracketed - it's 1:36!  The full title of the Entex version is "Palawan Ocean Cruiser".  I have one stashed.

There's also another kit which I hadn't mentioned to date because it isn't strictly a plastic kit.  It has been discused on tis forum a couple of times.  It's an Imai HMS Victory to 1:150 in what we might call multi-media these days.  It has a die-cast hull, brass decks and wood masts/yards along with plastic blocks/deadeyes.

I don't know whether it fits the criterion for this listing but it certainly doesn't fit into any other category - including, some would say, scale model.......

Michael

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Posted by EPinniger on Sunday, October 1, 2006 1:13 PM
Thanks for the information on the yacht kits, will add this later.

 Dick Wood wrote:
I have just won the Gertrude L. Thebaud, and it is a Life-like Hobbykit. I am wondering if it is the old Pyro kit. The hull comes in one piece.


All Life-Like kits are ex-Pyro, as far as I know. Life-Like took over the moulds when Pyro became "defunct". In fact I have a kit (Civil War blockade runner) where the Pyro logo has been replaced by a Life-Like sticker.
Most of the moulds eventually ended up with Lindberg.
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  • From: Tampa, Florida, USA
Posted by steves on Sunday, October 1, 2006 12:19 PM
Epinniger,

Since you've included some yachts in your list I can add several kits to that category if you like.   Back in the late '70s Entex offered three pretty nice large sailboat kits.   One was the "Bluewater Ketch", which was Minots Light, a John Alden designed 58' steel-hulled ketch in 1/32 scale.   Another was called "Ocean Cruiser" (I think) which was actually Palawan IV, a Sparkman and Stevens designed 60-something foot aluminum ketch with dual centerboards.  The scale, I believe, was slightly smaller, maybe 1/35 or 1/37.  The third one I am much less sure about.   I do not remember the name that it was marketed under, but it was a sloop-rigged racer/cruiser desined by the French firm Groupe Finot.   It was rather radical for the time having a fin keel, spade rudder, high freeboard and a completely flush deck with no protruding cabin trunk, just a recessed cockpit.. This was a smaller boat than the other two, but the model was about the same size so the scale must have been larger, maybe 1/25 or 1/20.   All three came with vacuformed sails and chrome plastic deck fittings.   I believe all three were originally released by Otaki, and the Palawan has been re-released at least once since then in orange plastic with hideous hull graphics.

Hasegawa also released two yacht kits in the early to mid '80s.   One was the Seatopia, an attractive 56' yawl, of no particular significance that I am aware of, in 1/24 scale.   This was a premium model with a large one-piece pre-painted hull, shaped wood masts, cast metal fittings as well as chrome-plated plastic.   Sails were cloth, to be cut and sewn with material and patterns provided with the kit.   The other Hasegawa kit was the 1/20 scaleWing of Yamaha, a state-of-the-art (for the time) single-handed racing sloop which was sailed in the 1975 trans-Pacific race by a Japanese sailor.   This is a very nice kit, highly detailed, again with cloth sails, and the only one of these yacht kits that has interior detail.

Also, a couple of minor date corrections.   From personal recollection (I built both kits as a kid) I am reasonably certain that both the Aurora Cutty Sark and the Pyro Skipjack originally were released in the mid to late '50s, not the '60s.

Nice work in compiling the list and I hope you find this useful.


Steve Sobieralski, Tampa Bay Ship Model Society

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 30, 2006 8:20 AM

Good Morning Gentlemen:

I have just won the Gertrude L. Thebaud, and it is a Life-like Hobbykit. I am wondering if it is the old Pyro kit. The hull comes in one piece.

Also thank you for all the hard work you have put into building this data base.

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Posted by EPinniger on Saturday, September 30, 2006 7:46 AM
Thanks for the link! This site definitely looks like it'll be a useful source of information.

The Flounder is actually already in the database - I added the kit after spotting it on eBay a few weeks ago (the "Boats and Ships" kit section of eBay US is a useful source of reference for old ship models, as many of the auctions include close-up photos of the box art and/or the box contents).

Is the scale of this kit really 1/200, as indicated on oldmodelkits.com? This would surely make the model very small, considering that the subject is a small fishing vessel.
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Posted by jtilley on Friday, September 29, 2006 7:17 PM

I know absolutely nothing about it.  Until I happened to bump into that website I didn't know there was a ship in the movie - and I had no recollection that Aurora had made a model of it.

I've never seen the movie all the way through.  I did watch a few minutes of it on TV, and it practically made me gag.  My mother read all the original Dr. Dolittle books to me, and they were among the first things I read myself when I learned to read; they're among my earliest and fondest memories.  The movie distorted the characters in the books to the point of nauseating caricature.  I was always a big fan of Rex Harrison, but this was surely one of his weakest moments.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by Goshawk on Friday, September 29, 2006 6:13 PM

John, do you know anything about that ship?

Was it an actual ship or just a studio prop (possibly built on a barge of some sort)? Silly as the movie was, I have always had a soft spot for the Flounder (a very funny name for a ship, I seem to remember Anthony Newly passing a comment about it not inspiring confidence). I guess it was all the color on it, the hull and sails were pretty colorful for a sailing ship.

I have been on the hunt for one of these for years, but they seem to fetch quite a lot of cash these days, surely more than my meager spending money will allow.

Tory

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Posted by jtilley on Friday, September 29, 2006 2:34 PM

Epinniger - Here's one for your list:  http://oldmodelkits.com/index.php?detail=2526&page=8&manu=Aurora

There's a goof in the description; the movie in question most definitely was NOT a Disney production.

That website has about the best assortment of old Aurora kits I've encountered on the web.  You'll probably want to spend some time on it.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by Paul5910 on Thursday, September 28, 2006 6:55 AM
EPinniger, I am able to open the CSV file, but everything is all run together.  Maybe I can get my better half to reformat for me.  Looks like an awsome piece of work you did there.

Paul
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Posted by EPinniger on Thursday, September 28, 2006 4:11 AM
The CSV (comma-seperated values) version of the database (sailshipkits.csv) is in ASCII text format and should be readable on any computer. (The zip file contains three files - the Access, Excel and CSV versions of the database)
If you can't open the zip file, I'll upload the CSV file seperately so it can be downloaded on its own.

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Posted by Paul5910 on Thursday, September 28, 2006 2:38 AM
Gentlemen, will one of you guys open this handy file and and send it to me in txt format.  I sure would apreciate that.

Paul5910@Yahoo.com

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Sailing ship kit database - New version 26/9/06
Posted by EPinniger on Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:35 AM
I've finally got round to completing a new version of my database of plastic sailing ship kits. Here it is:
download link
This version has all three formats of the database - Access, Excel and CSV - in a single zip file (it's less than 100K in size).

New stuff in the latest version:

- More kits added, some of them thanks to various FSM forum members
- Many additions and revisions to existing kit data
- Release dates added for most Revell kits (thanks to jtilley on the FSM forum)
- Release dates and more information added for most Heller kits (thanks to michel.vrtg on the FSM forum)
- Release dates added for all Airfix kits (thanks to Arthur Ward's book)
- Steamship kit data is now included in Excel and CSV versions
- Data in the Excel and CSV versions is now sorted alphabetically by ship name

As before, I hope this database is of use to the plastic ship modelling community, and if anyone has any information, however minor, which could be added to the list (either kits which aren't included, additional information for kits already in the database), or if any of the information in the list is incorrect - please let me know (either post here or e-mail me at edward (at) pinniger (dot) globalnet.co.uk .


As for why I would spend the time to create a database like this -  after discovering "Rajen's Kit List" (http://www.quuxuum.org/rajens_list/shiprevs.html) , I found it an invaluable guide to what kits were out there, and how good (or not) they were. (I highly recommend every ship modeller has a copy of this page saved to their PC's hard drive). When my database is complete, I'll probably submit some or all of the information to the list's creators in the hope that they can use some of it.
However, this list has very little information (other than the name and manufacturer) on many kits, and many kits of sailing ships, in particular, are missing from the list entirely. This gave me an idea of creating a more specialised and detailed list/database, concentrating on kits of sailing ships. As sailing ships are probably the most obscure plastic model kit subject in this respect, with countless reissues of one manufacturer's kits by another, modified/recycled kits by the same manufacturer, and many dozens of old kits which have been out of production for decades, creating a database listing them all seemed like a very useful idea.
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