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One Last Stupid Hull Model Question...(maybe)

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Posted by Leftie on Friday, October 13, 2006 3:52 PM

Russ,

    Email sent. Thanks!!!!

        Leftie

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Posted by Leftie on Friday, October 13, 2006 3:23 PM

Hey Grymm. Its at http://www.all-model.com/Campbell/5.html

   Normally I'm not inclined to post a photo that's from a publication that's currently for sale( especially when the price is so reasonable), but it this case when its available free on line apparently with Mr Campbell permission I don't see a problem with it.

   I agree with Prof. Tilley that at $15 it would be better for all concern to buy it direct from Modelexpoonline.com.

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  • From: Biloxi, Mississippi
Posted by Russ39 on Friday, October 13, 2006 3:07 PM

Leftie:

I have the Campbell's Smithsonian plans for the Constitution. If you need a few details scanned from those rigging plans, I can handle that you. They might not be exactly correct, but they are in the ballpark for the most part. Email me at rus3466@yahoo.com if you need any help.

Russ

 

 

 

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  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Friday, October 13, 2006 1:34 PM

The drawings are from George Campbell's Neophyte Shipmodeler's Jackstay - one of the books I always recommend as a first acquisition for newcomers to the hobby.  Drawing "E" is pretty close to the system I quoted from Lees's book - and probably at least as appropriate.  Mr. Campbell was a genuine expert, a fine artist, and a good writer; his book is an excellent introduction to the subject.  (He also drew the plans for the Smithsonian's Constitution model, which was the basis for the Revell kit.)  I think that tye and halyard arrangement would be perfectly appropriate for the Constitution in 1814.

One of the ship modeling websites does have the full (I think) text of the book online, but I don't remember the address at the moment; I'm sure Leftie has it.  It's hard to beat having a copy of the book on one's workbench, though.  It's available through Model Expo (www.modelexpoonline.com) for about $15.00 - probably about the same as it would cost to print out the whole thing from the website.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by Grymm on Friday, October 13, 2006 10:17 AM

Hey Leftie, what website did you get the parrel diagram from?  Can you post the link?

Thanks,

Grymm

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Posted by Leftie on Friday, October 13, 2006 3:38 AM

 Thanks guys. For some reason my mind glazes over with the written description of this rigging so I rechecked all my bookmarked sites and came up with this illustration. Though its not just like the Hull model its at least something I can live with and understand.

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  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, October 11, 2006 11:04 PM

What we're talking about here is the topsail halyard (or halliard).  More precisely, the tackle consisted of at least two ropes, called the tie (or tye) and the halyard of the tie.  (The lifts are different lines; they run from the topmast head to the ends of the yards.)  That photo is hard for me to read, at least on my not-very-big monitor. 

James Lees's The Masting and Rigging of English Ships of War, 1625-1860, shows several methods of rigging the tyes and halyards.  Lees says the typical arrangement for the period after 1810 included four large, single blocks, two hooked under the topmast trestletrees and the other two stropped to the yard, a few feet on either side of the center.  The tye in the accompanying drawing is looped around the topmast head just above the crosstrees, with both ends leading down in front of the foremost crosstree.  One end of the line goes through each of the blocks on the yard, then up to the block under the appropriate trestletree.  A single or double (depending on the size of the ship) was seized in each end of the tye, and a tackle was set up between that block and one hooked to an eyebolt in the channel, inboard of the deadeye for the second topmast backstay.  I can't tell whether that arrangement matches the one in the photo exactly - but it seems close.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 11, 2006 5:18 PM

 

Leftie

Hard to tell from the photo, but it looks like the lines are lifts that are used to raise and lower the yards. It's probable one rope on each side that attaches to the yard then passes through a block higher up, then back to the block attached to the yard. They would end at a belaying pin, probably around the base of the mast. I hope that helps. There are bunches of books and websites devoted to warship rigging; you may want to do a google search.

 

Good luck,

Jim

 

 

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One Last Stupid Hull Model Question...(maybe)
Posted by Leftie on Wednesday, October 11, 2006 4:14 PM

    This has been great fun and I should have this journey wraped up in a few months. But because I'm not a ship person I'm not familiar with the running rigging of the 19th century.

   So my question is...rope 'A' and 'D' seem to be tied to the yard and rope 'B' and 'C' are thru the yard block. Can anyone tell me where these ropes  attach to or travel thru?

   Thanks. I will show you soon that your help hasn't been a complete waste of time:-)  

     

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