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waves,wakes, bullet sprays and explosions from mortars hitting the water

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  • Member since
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  • From: The Green "Mountains", Vermont
waves,wakes, bullet sprays and explosions from mortars hitting the water
Posted by IanIsBored2000 on Saturday, October 14, 2006 6:21 PM

Hey!  Im working on an 1/35 Omaha Beach diorama, and figured if there was one part of this forum that knew how to make realistic water for dioramas, it was the ship builders!  So, I'm using epoxy resin for water, Ive had fairly good results, and here are my questions:

How could you simulate the little sprays of water from bullets hitting the surface?

How could you replicate mortars hitting the water?  or reference pictures of this happening?

How could you mae waves and wakes?

How could you simulate the look of a half swamped and partially destroyed LCVP?

Lastly, what products would you use to make these? Ive heard something about gloss gels? white glue? resins?  What do you think?

 

"Scanlon: work your knobby hands on the table in front of you, constructing a make-beleive bomb to blow up a make-beleive world."
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  • From: Mansfield, TX
Posted by EdGrune on Sunday, October 15, 2006 10:45 AM

See Jeff Herne's article on making water on SteelNavy at http://www.steelnavy.com/water.htm

Jeff's method uses Liquitex acrylic gel & acrylic (tube) paint from the art department at the craft store.

See too Rusty White's article on water also on SteelNavy at http://www.steelnavy.com/Whitewater.htm

Rusty's method builds the water using Skulpey clay from the craft store

While at SteelNavy, see Don Simon's article on wake patterns formed by ship hulls http://www.steelnavy.com/WavePatterns.htm

 Search back through the archives here.  I went several rounds with someone about using poly yarn & fiber, imbedded in acryic gloss medium to make explosions, such as from a depth charge.

White glue may be  a useable method for sculpting small splashes and blending them into an already completed base,  but I think I'd tend toward Future and the fore-mentioned poly yarn  (just a few unraveled strands). 

If you plan on using clear epoxy casting resin I would urge caution and a lot of planning.  These meterials generate a lot of heat.  It is advisable to limit the thickness of your pours and figure how to explain the resin's tendency to disregard the laws of grvity and climb up the side of a subject floating in the 'water'. 

  • Member since
    August 2006
  • From: The Green "Mountains", Vermont
Posted by IanIsBored2000 on Sunday, October 15, 2006 12:49 PM
Thanks, those will definately help when creating aves and wakes around my LCM and other bits of debris and barricades on the shores of Omaha.  I have been using some of that white caulking goo on test bits of resin "water" as waves, and it looks decent I guess.  Also those fake snow products by woodland scenics, when I us tiny bits of it sprinkled over the waves it makes realistic foam and air bubbles in the water, looking like white caps and splashes.  More importantly, Im trying to find out how to do realistic bullet splashes, and their underwater trajectory and mortars hiting the water/depth charge kind of effect.  So far, my best method for the underwater trajectory is painting a piece of wire silver/whit/grey and smear on tiny amouns of caulking goo and sprinkle on fake snow.  I stick this in my resin water as it dries.  When its almost dry, I pull out the wire, and it leaves some of  the stuff it was coated in, along with a "hole" in the water and as it is pulled out, air bubbles form in the resin, it looks pretty good.  For the above water splashes, I have been using caulking goo, 5 minute epoxy, fake snow and mostly cotton/stuffing in small tufts.  finally I spray it in gloss for a wet effect.  For mortar explosion, I just made a mold out of tin foil and poured in resin, then I will cover it in all kinds of stuff, fglosses, cauliking, the fake snow, whatever I can to try and make it look good.  Ill post pictures later today.
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