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Armed Virginia Sloop
Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 6, 2006 4:23 PM
Is this the right site for wooden model ships and questions about construction?
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Posted by Donnie on Monday, November 6, 2006 8:28 PM

Well, I think that you are. There are other people here like myself that are right now building a wooden ship. It just so happens that the wooden ones may not be as talked about or as popular as the plastic versions.  I am here to help as much as I can. I found a website below that might interest you.

Donnie 

http://modelboatyard.com/avs-construction01.html

In Progress: OcCre's Santisima Trindad Finished Builds: Linbergs "Jolly Roger" aka La Flore Mantua's Cannone Da Costa Americano linberg's "Cptn Kidd" aka Wappen Von Hamburg Model Shipways 1767 Sultana Midwest Boothbay Lobsterboat (R/C)

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Posted by Donnie on Monday, November 6, 2006 8:30 PM

Oh,

By the way, tell us a little more about your ship. Where you bought it and other details that you might want to share. Is this a kit or are you wanting to build it from scratch?

Donnie 

In Progress: OcCre's Santisima Trindad Finished Builds: Linbergs "Jolly Roger" aka La Flore Mantua's Cannone Da Costa Americano linberg's "Cptn Kidd" aka Wappen Von Hamburg Model Shipways 1767 Sultana Midwest Boothbay Lobsterboat (R/C)

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Posted by Powder Monkey on Monday, November 6, 2006 8:34 PM

For wooden ship models you can also try Modelship world

http://205.234.234.99/phpBB2/portal.php 

Or Drydockmodels

http://forum.drydockmodels.com/index.php

 

 

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Posted by Donnie on Monday, November 6, 2006 9:53 PM

Hi Powder Monkey,

 

thanks for the links. You know, I forgot all about the drydock models. I need to seriously update my favorites list thanks !!!!

Donnie

In Progress: OcCre's Santisima Trindad Finished Builds: Linbergs "Jolly Roger" aka La Flore Mantua's Cannone Da Costa Americano linberg's "Cptn Kidd" aka Wappen Von Hamburg Model Shipways 1767 Sultana Midwest Boothbay Lobsterboat (R/C)

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 7, 2006 4:53 AM

Donnie I got the kit for Fathers Day 2 years ago and have been scared by its amount of parts but I am at a place where I have some time on the weekends and have more space so I am starting it. I believe it came from "modelshipyard"? It was a gift I dont ask.

Starting it this weekend. This is my first shot at this, just plastic before this one.

By the way a short walk from my house and I can see were McKay launched the clippers.

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Posted by jtilley on Tuesday, November 7, 2006 8:10 AM

The only kit I know of that's labeled "Armed Virginia Sloop" is the plank-on-bulkhead one from Model Shipways.  MS is one of the best wood ship model kit companies in the world, and that kit is one of its most recent.  I haven't built it, but it has an excellent reputation.

For heaven's sake, don't let it intimidate you!  The instruction book, if it's a typical MS one, is excellent, and so are the plans.  Spend some time studying them, so you thoroughly understand what you're going to be doing.  Then gather the necessary tools, adhesives, etc. (I think they're listed at the beginning of the instruction book), and, if possible, find yourself a sturdy, well-lighted work space where you can leave the model and your gear set up when you aren't working on it.  Then have at it.  One big advantage that wood kits have over plastic ones is that almost any mistake you make in a wood kit is relatively easy to fix.

If you want some help beyond what the instruction book offers, you might want to buy a copy of the book How To Build First-Rate Ship Models From Kits, by Ben Lankford.  It's published by Model Shipways, and Mr. Lankford is one of their kit designers.  (I think he had something to do with the design of your kit, as a matter of fact.)  Model Shipways products are distributed by Model Expo; here's their web address:  www.modelexpoonline.com .  There you'll also find all sorts of tools, materials, fittings, and other stuff to help with the project.  I doubt, though, that you'll  need to buy much beyond what's in the kit box.  It's a good, well-designed kit.

Good luck.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by schoonerbumm on Tuesday, November 7, 2006 12:20 PM

There is a published practicum on building the Armed Virginia Sloop, titled.... 'Modeling an Armed Virginia Sloop of 1768' by Clayton A. Feldman, c. 1991.  It is hard to find, but you might try contacting the author through the Yahoo group listed below for a  lead on geting a copy. It is not a guide to the MS kit. I think it pre-dates the kit but has a lot of valuable info.

Dr. Feldman is currently finishing up an online yahoo groups practicum on the brig Lexington at http://www.briglex.org/  You can get valuable information that may apply to your model there, and for a short period of time ask questions on the Yahoo group site. Of course the Group threads are a gold mine of info.

Have fun with your model

Alan

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." Benjamin Franklin

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Posted by jtilley on Tuesday, November 7, 2006 1:28 PM

The little book by Dr. Feldman is a fine one - though copy I have (which I think is a cheaper version of the original) suffers from some pretty murky photographic reproduction.  The book was, as Schoonerbum notes, published before the Model Shipways kit was released; the book tells how to build the model from scratch.  I think the kit was, in many ways, based on the book.

If you can track down a copy of the book, you certainly won't regret buying it.   But it shouldn't be necessary to do a nice job on the model.  Model Shipways instruction books - especially the ones for the company's newer kits, of which this is one - are pretty good.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 8, 2006 3:42 PM

I have looked at the drawings and have checked out the recommended sites. I am not going to start this ship right now I think I need a more basic start before I get into planking and shaping the stern etc.

Model Shipway does have a pilot boat kit solid hull that comes complete with tools and paint and instruction. Thinking about that its only 69.00 dollars.

Dave

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Posted by Gerarddm on Wednesday, November 8, 2006 6:12 PM
Privateer, I thinkyou are refering to Phantom, and it's a superb starter kit to get into wooden ship models. It was my first many years ago and it makes for a very satisfying experience without being intimidating. Plus, she is simply a very good looking ship.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 8, 2006 6:46 PM

It is the Phantom and if you build it and photograph it they will refund the 69.00 bucks to you.

Thanks for the encouragement.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 8, 2006 9:11 PM

Privateer,

If this is one of your first wooden ship models, for the Model Shipways Armed Virginia Sloop kit I can't recommend enough the practicum developed by Bob Hunt and available at www.lauckstreetshipyard.com , it is about 200 pages of instructions that take you step by step how to build the model.  I have the kit and the practicum, and his writing and pictures are very clear.  As an added bonus, he maintains a bulletin board where everyone who owns the Armed Virginia Sloop practicum can ask questions or see how others solved problems, and Bob will answer any questions posted within the same day.  While the practicum is around $90, I see it as money well spent, because it almost assures I will be able to finish the kit without too much frustration, and help me learn a lot.  The practicum removes the intimidation of that big box of wood and string and brass.

The usual disclaimer, no financial stake, just a satisfied customer, etc....

 George

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Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, November 8, 2006 10:39 PM

Privateer - You're demonstrating a great deal of good, solid sense.  I can testify from personal experience that the Model Shipways Phantom is an excellent kit for beginners - and not just for them.  When I built mine I'd been building ship models for about 45 years; I bought the kit because I was looking for a short-term project, and I liked the look of the ship.  Here are some photos:  http://www.hmsvictoryscalemodels.be/JohnTilleyPhantom/index.html

The kit I bought, three or four years ago, was an oddity that's no longer available.  MS at that time was experimenting with the concept of the cast resin hull.  I rather liked the one in the Phantom kit (though it did have some minor problems), but apparently it didn't sell well.  Model Shipways is now selling the kit with a machine-carved basswood hull, more-or-less identical to the one with which the kit debuted, back in the late fifties or early sixties.

I did have a few, relatively minor reservations about the kit - some or all of which may be irrelevant to the current version.

1.  The instruction book, while generally a pretty good production, probably would be a bit vague and sketchy for a newcomer.  I think the $69.00 deal includes a copy of George Campbell's book, The Neophyte Shipmodeler's Jackstay.  That's a fine publication, which should help get you over the rough spots.  I've said several times in this Forum that if a person learned everything in that book he'd be well on the way toward being a knowledgable shiop modeler.  The book by Ben Lankford that I mentioned earlier in this thread is also excellent; if you get both volumes you won't regret it.

2.  My kit contained some fittings that didn't really belong in it.  There was, for instance, a package of "deadeye strop rings" that were designed for deadeyes at least four times as big as the ones in the kit.  I hope somebody noticed that mistake and fixed it.

3.  The copper tape included in the kit to represent the sheathing on the underwater hull is good, workable stuff, but it's twice as wide as it ought to be.  (I think it is in fact the material used by stain glass window hobbiests.)  If you lay it out in lengths of six inches or so, with the paper backing still on it, and slice it down the middle with an Xacto knife (with a metal straightedge as a guide), that problem will be solved in a few minutes.  This is an excellent kit for learning the principles of copper sheathing.  Even with the narrower "plates," you can do the whole hull in a couple of hours.

Don't expect the kit to provide you with every single thing you need to build the model - in terms of either materials or information.  But with a bit of ingenuity and a few weeks' worth of effort and spare time, it can be turned into a really nice model.   Even my wife, who isn't easy to please in that regard, thinks so.

Later edit:  After I typed the above post I took a look at the Model Expo website.  There was no mention of the "we'll refund your money if you finish the model" offer (I guess that's only in magazine ads), but it does feature a detailed, 39-page "practicum" on how to build that specific kit.  It's a PDF file that can be downloaded from the web and printed out.  My clunky old home computer wasn't able to download the whole thing before I went to bed last night, but on the basis of the photos in the beginning I'm confident that it's excellent.  I suspect it would tell a newcomer everything he/she needed to know about building the kit.

Three cheers for Model Expo!  The combination of that practicum and the refund offer should persuade a lot of people to take the plunge and get into wood ship modeling.  The company is also in the process of re-releasing quite a number of the Model Shipways solid-hull kits that so many of us grew up with.  They are, for the most part, excellent kits, combining fine plans, sound materials, sensible construction methods - and interesting subjects.  Now if Model Expo would just quit promoting those gawdawful HECEPOB (Hideously Expensive Continental European Plank On Bulkhead) monstrosities from Mamoli, Artesania Latina, Mantua, etc., etc.....

Good luck.  It's a great hobby.

 

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Posted by Russ39 on Thursday, November 9, 2006 12:06 PM

John:

The offer he referred to is not a refund, but a store credit. Complete the model within 6 months of purchase and send them a few pics to show your work and they will give you a $69.99 store credit towards the purchase of any model they sell.

The practicum is the one written by Chuck Passaro. I have read it (Chuck was kind enough to allow me to proof read it as well while he was building his model)  and it is an excellent companion to the kit. He does a fine job of showing how to mark the hull prior to carving and sanding, for an example. Chuck also makes some really good suggestions about how to get the most out of that little kit and his color pics are very nice as well. He has also written a similar guide for the Sultana kit as well. These guides are well beyond the instructions that are offered with the kits and will make building the models a lot easier for the beginner and give some really great hints for even experienced builders about how to customize the kits.

Russ

 

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