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Victory in 1765 version

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Victory in 1765 version
Posted by Papillon on Tuesday, December 5, 2006 11:09 PM

I am playing with thoughts of modifying the heller kit into the 1765 version (not that difficult) and produce a resin kit of it with etched parts, possibly as a hull model with lower masts only. I know & get support from the people of www.artitec.nl > New VOC Project who built the diorama www.deredevantexel.nl ; I developed plans for the vessel depicted in the Album de Colbert 1670 www.ancre.fr , I'm still doing research for improving my design and already made the mother model of the hull in MDF that will be used to make vacu formed shells (just like 'bare' hull halves of a plastic kit). Anyway, I hope to do an experiment of 'throwing a resin 1:87 sailingship kit on the market' in the future. The bottelneck are the masts & rigging: resin cast masts are not strong enough, unless a metal thread is put in the mold before casting (which Artitec does, as well as etched shrouds & ratlines, which I don't like).

Max.

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Posted by Chuck Fan on Wednesday, December 6, 2006 7:34 AM
 Papillon wrote:

I am playing with thoughts of modifying the heller kit into the 1765 version (not that difficult) and produce a resin kit of it with etched parts, possibly as a hull model with lower masts only.

 

I've been sitting on the idea of modifying my spare Heller Victory into the 1776 configuration.   So far I've been put off by the elaborate pre-1803 figurehead and the delicate sculptures on the stern and quarters.   Let me know how yours go.

 

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Posted by Chuck Fan on Wednesday, December 6, 2006 7:39 AM

BTW, I suggest the mast problem can be solved by casting in resin only the tops of the lower masts, and the ends of the top and top gallant masts, as well as only the center portions of the yards.

The provide the user with instructions to build the rest of the masts and yards from styrene tubes and strips.

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Posted by Papillon on Wednesday, December 6, 2006 10:31 AM

Dear Chuck,

I have some material regarding the 1765 version; I can email it to your private address, OK?

Max.

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Posted by jgonzales on Wednesday, December 6, 2006 4:52 PM

Check out Master Builder Donald McNarry's take on the Victory as launched:

 

http://www.shipmodel.com/art-Donald-McNarry.htm#1

Also, an earlier HMS Victory, looks like a larger ship, which ran aground and was lost with all hands:

http://www.donaldmcnarryshipmodels.com/13.html

Jose Gonzales

Jose Gonzales San Diego, CA
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Posted by Chuck Fan on Wednesday, December 6, 2006 7:11 PM
 Papillon wrote:

Dear Chuck,

I have some material regarding the 1765 version; I can email it to your private address, OK?

Max.

 

Yes.  Thank you.  Chuckfan_@hotmail.com

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Posted by Chuck Fan on Wednesday, December 6, 2006 7:22 PM
 jgonzales wrote:

Also, an earlier HMS Victory, looks like a larger ship, which ran aground and was lost with all hands:

http://www.donaldmcnarryshipmodels.com/13.html

Jose Gonzales

 

Both the earlier Victory of 1737 and Nelson's Victory of 1765 were, at their respective times of launch, the largest British Waship ever built.  However, Nelson's Victory was infact substantially larger than her predecessor.

The 1737 Victory did hold some continuing distinctions, though.  She was the only ship of the line to ever have 4 tiers of quarter galleries and 4 tiers of stern galleries.   Her hull side was exceptionally high for her length, and this caused her to be leewardly and was thought to have contributed to her loss.          

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Posted by Papillon on Friday, December 8, 2006 12:04 PM

Dear Chuck,

Did you get my material?

Max.

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  • From: Lewiston ID
Posted by reklein on Friday, December 8, 2006 3:40 PM
Instead of a whole kit, would it be possible to produce a resin modification kit to the existing Heller kit. I see those types of things advertised a lot. The artitec models as featured in the dioram we saw a while back were very impressive. I'm a train modeler too so the 1/87 th idea is interesting too.
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