SEARCH FINESCALE.COM

Enter keywords or a search phrase below:

Cutty Sark rigging questions

2365 views
3 replies
1 rating 2 rating 3 rating 4 rating 5 rating
  • Member since
    January 2006
Cutty Sark rigging questions
Posted by cytorg on Friday, December 29, 2006 5:00 PM

I'm building the 1/96 Cutty Sark without sails and I'm having problems with how to run the sheet and clew lines w/o sails.  We traveled to Galveston the last several days and I looked at the Elissa there.  She had the sails stowed on the spar, strapped on top, with the sheet and clew lines attached.  Being a holiday there was not anyone available to answer my questions of is that normal way to stow them.

  How have any of you run these lines on your ships?  Pictures would be great.

I have an old kit of the Thermopoli, sic, that I believe I'll try to turn into the Elissa.  The Elissa is in great shape for an 1877 Barque.

Thanks!

  • Member since
    May 2003
  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Friday, December 29, 2006 6:38 PM
What you saw on board the Elissa was entirely normal - and a configuration just as appropriate for the Cutty Sark, if you want to rig your model with furled sails.

In a sailing ship of that vintage the heads of the square sails are attached, not to the yards themselves, but to the jackstays. A jackstay is an iron bar that runs through a series of eyebolts on top of the yard. The robands - the lines that secure the head of the sail - pass through a series of holes in the canvas and are knotted to the jackstay. When the sail is furled, it naturally winds up in a pile on top of the yard. (A ship of the early nineteenth century, or earlier, looks different. In the days before the jackstay, the robands ran around the yard and the bundle of the furled sail wound up on the front of, or under, the yard. But that's another story.)

If you take a look at the yards in the Revell kit, you'll notice a row of little vertical pins molded on top of each of them. The pins represent the jackstay eyebolts. In the very earliest issues of the kit, back in the late fifties and early sixties, the instructions advised the modeler to represent the jackstays themselves with fine piano wire, cut to length and glued to the tips of the pins. That's still a good idea - especially in the days of superglue. (Unfortunately, the molds for the kit are getting old; several of the samples I've seen in recent years have had "jackstay eyebolts" that were either incompletely formed or missing altogether. But they aren't hard to replace.)

When the sails are removed from such a ship, gear such as sheets, clewlines, buntlines, and leechlines often is removed as well. If not, the ends are often simply hitched to the nearest convenient point. In the case of a leechline or buntline, that's usually the jackstay. Another approach is to tie a big knot in the running end of the line and heave the hauling end taut, so the knot gets stuck in the first block (which, in those two cases, is usually lashed to the jackstay). The clewlines and sheets (and, in the case of the courses, the tacks) often are simply shackled to each other when the sails are removed. That's a nice way to do it on a model - though the uninitiated observer is likely to find that arrangement confusing.

One other point you probably noticed when you were looking at the Elissa: the small size of the furled sails. Many beginning modelers make the bundles representing furled sails far too fat. The real thing is usually a little smaller in diameter than the yard; if you stand on a pier aft of the ship, you probably won't be able to see the "bundles" at all.

One big suggestion: if you want to do a good job of rigging a model of the Cutty Sark, get a copy of the plans by George Campbell. I've sung their praises (and posted the link for ordering them) in several other threads here in the Forum. They'll answer just about every question you could possibly have about the ship's rigging - and provide a tremendous amount of good reading as well. At a price of about $20 for the set of three sheets, they're just about the biggest bargain in ship modeling.

Hope that helps a little. Good luck.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

  • Member since
    January 2006
Posted by cytorg on Friday, December 29, 2006 11:17 PM

I found the link to George Campbells plans on a question you answered for me months ago...I'll order them tomorrow.  Yes, I was surprised by how tight the sails were..I even wondered if they were truly the real sails and if the real ones were stowed below.  I took several rolls of film so I'll have some good references of the Elissa.  I still get a kick out of the plans of the CS calling the small cabins "sail lockers" at the fore deck.  I think I'll drill the drainage holes below them.  The photo's will also help me with weathering the CS.  We are going back in a few months to take more detailed photo's of the cabins and such to see what I have to scratch build.  My wife is interested in helping me with that one.  She's an artist and will help with the woodgrain on the cabins, spars and such.  I really enjoyed going over the Elissa.

Thank you for your help!

  • Member since
    May 2003
  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:13 PM
Actually, unless I'm much mistaken, there aren't any holes under those little structures at the break of the forecastle. (That's based on the Campbell plans and several visits to the ship - though not recently.) Think for a minute of what would be involved in such an arrangement: a good-sized pipe running out the side of the ship. Anybody sitting inside the structure in question would have had an interesting experience if a good-sized sea hit the mouth of the pipe. My assumption is that the system relied on the grand seagoing tradition: the bucket. Presumably one of the ship's boys had the duty of emptying it several times a day.

Revell did catch a couple of interesting details on the aft bulkheads of those waterclosets. The detail molded into the one on the port side is a saltwater pump, used for washing the decks. (A note on Mr. Campbell's drawing says "leaden saltwater pump, pipe leads dwon inside stem timber to forefoot.") On the aft side of the starboard closet, a separate part (if I remember right) represents the rack of capstan bars.

In those days (1959), the people responsible for designing Revell sailing ship kits were genuinely trying to make them as accurate and detailed as the limitations of kit manufacturing would allow. Not many purchasers would have noticed if that little pump had been omitted - but that wasn't the point.

Would that such attitudes ruled at Revell today.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

JOIN OUR COMMUNITY!

Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account.

SEARCH FORUMS
FREE NEWSLETTER
By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. View our Privacy Policy.