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Procrastination, monotony and taking shortcuts

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Posted by Gerarddm on Sunday, May 6, 2007 9:36 AM
I can identify with this angst. Right now I am wading through GMM's 1/70 PE for Yamato and I have been forced into excruciatingly slow progress on the various railings on the main and secondary turrets. It's all I can do to do 2 hours, then have to let it go for the night- my eyes, even with Optivisor, aren't up to more work than that, not to mention my concentration. As someone suggested, if you view each sub-asembly as a kit unto itself, that helps. Drip, drip, drip, eventually the cup is full. And hopefully you still feel like it's a hobby and not a high-maintenance babe grinding you down.  Wink [;)]
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Posted by Donnie on Saturday, May 5, 2007 9:31 PM

Sign - Ditto [#ditto]

That is funny. That should do the trick. I too myself get discouraged looking at all those riggings. Hey, just finished my Wooden Sultana after a years of work !!!

 

Donnie 

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Posted by Paul5910 on Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:28 PM

Grymm,  I think I may have the solution to your rigging problem... Run down down to the local liquor store and pick up a bottle of Crown Royal and don't forget some coke or sprite to mix it with.  When you get back to your place, pass up the reqular, small sized cocktail glasses and go for one of the tall ones that surely you will find in the cabinet.  Pour about 50% Crown and 50% mixer (coke or sprite.)  Sip on that puppy while you rig your ship... I also find it helpful to view pictures of completed ships rigging while working on mine for inspiration.  Let me know how it goes.

 Paul

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:46 AM

Hi!

Please help! Need assembly instruction of Heller Reale de France very much. Any copy: paper, electronic, digital camera photos. Thanks in advance.

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Posted by Grymm on Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:15 AM

Most of my "stressing" is just out of fun.  While the task is monotonous, I will get it done.  I just wanted to find out how other people approach what is obviously the most arduous task of period ship modelling. 

I had thought about doing a hull display for the Soleil Royale, but after staring at it for a while, I believe that ship rigging of this period (with the spritsail topmast) is extremely beautiful, so I'll be doing full rigging, minus sails.  once I'm past shrouds/ratlines, it will be pretty smooth.  Plus, I have other activities and projects, plus my family, as pleasant diversions.

My degree?  Business, concentration in Management.  I was able to go back to college under the good graces of the Veteran's Administration.  I'm a partially disabled Air Force Vet (nerve damage to my back and legs).  I can walk, but I live with pain 24/7.  I should finish my degree by the end of July.  My intentions are to start my Grad studies in the fall if the VA will go for it.  Otherwise, I will have to dip into savings to cover the cost of the 36 hour program. 

The GIS class I'm in is worth a mint and will probably be a major contributor to my getting hired by a firm.  Knowing how to do business mapping is becoming critical to marketing.

Back on models, or crafts in general, I currently have two ships in various states of construction, the Soleil Royale (9 months into it) and the revell 1/96 Constitution (2 months in) and I'm doing final touchups to Heller's large scale La Reale De France.  In the wings I have another Constitution and Heller's Victory.  I'm also working on a 3' x 4' latch hook rug I'm making for my daughter and a ship in a bottle I'm working on with my boy Jacob.  Add my 4 classes, 8-10 hours a day at the dealership (I do marketing and assist with website duties) and the fact I'm a hopeless romantic to my insanely beautiful wife and you can pretty much guess I have very little free time.  As a matter of fact, I'm typing this during an extremely boring Sales Management lecture.  Go figure, he let class out early.  So, now I have to run to the next room and discuss a Management History project...

There are times I thank the powers that be for this forum....such a pleasant diversion.  I have no time for friends here....so being able to come here for a little while is worth gold...

Grymm

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Posted by Lufbery on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:45 PM
 Grymm wrote:

I had to put it down.  I'm up to my elbows in college classes, especially my GIS mapping class.  4 kids, full time job....

I like to remind myself that model-building is a hobby; it shouldn't cause much stress. 

By the way, what's your degree?

I'm in my last semester of grad school for a masters in community and regional planning. I'm also working full-time, but only have 1 child, who turned 15 months old yesterday.

My major focus (other than family and work) is on the class I'm taking, and finishing my thesis. As a result, I've not worked at all on a model for a couple of months. I also haven't attended classes at my aikido dojo, where I'm nearly ready to test for my black belt.

But I need to prioritize for the next 10 weeks until the thesis is due.  Then I can return to building models and throwing people around. Smile [:)]

On a more philosophical note: I fully rigged a 1/74 scale Martin MB-2 bomber -- with double flying wires where appropriate (which is, of course, far less work than a ship model requires).  Yes, it was tedious. Yes it was difficult. But, my expectation was that I would finish the task eventually, and I set simple goals for each sitting. For example, I would try to get four rigging wires on the model, and then I'd go do something else. A few nights later, I'd get four more done.  That piecemeal approach worked, and the model is finished.

Regards, 

-Drew

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Posted by kapudan_emir_effendi on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:20 PM

My dear friend first I'd like to wish you calmness Make a Toast [#toast] This is a hobby, it's here for us to relax, to forget our everyday stresses and so on. If we get even more stressed from it, what's the point then isn't it ? You can find many alternative, less streesing ways to create equally nice displays from your kits. One of my favourite is creating "semi-admiralty" models from large scale (1/96,100,144 and 150) big sized sailing ships. That means building the hull and placing only the lower masts and the bowspirit without the jibboom. This can especially work for Soleil Royal; think about her gorgeous carvings, she can stand as a veritable showpiece without masts and rigging simply by applying a nice paintwork with oils. If you want non stressing sail models to be built rigged, my suggestion is 1/200 large men of war or traders, or medium sized models of sailboats (such as heller's french sailing fishing craft). In 1/200 models, you can use photoetched shrouds and ratlines, there is no deadeye pain and you do a vastly simpler rigging, yet you obtain very very nice scale models. Always use your creativity and don't allow complexities to ward you off from the hobby Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Don't surrender the ship !
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Posted by Grymm on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:50 AM

Okay....first deadeye done.....okay, second deadeye done...wait a minute, the first one doesn't look right...readjust it....okay third deadeye done....wait a minute it's too long....wait a minute...so's the second one....AUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!

I had to put it down.  I'm up to my elbows in college classes, especially my GIS mapping class.  4 kids, full time job....I just can't face the Soleil Royale right now...so I decided to just do a couple of guns on the 1/96 Constitution that's been in my closet for the past 6 months.  Just a couple...just to see how they'll look.......

Okay, so now that all the guns are done for the Constitution I decided to go ahead and start it...looking pretty good.  Taking my time....I've also picked up a latch-hook rug kit (that's right people, a latch-hook rug...stop laughing....I mean it....stop laughing...)  I bought it 2 years ago to make for my daughter.  She's 19 now and has her own place, full time well paying job, and a significant other.  I'm the epitomy of the proud papa.  I'm determined to do one row a night.  That means I'll be done 2 weeks before christmas.  It's a big rug, with tons of detail. 

So why throw this in?  I'm crediting the latch hook rug with clearing my head enough that I'm finishing the deadeyes for the Soleil Royale this weekend.

Every once in a while, it's good to take a break from the models.  Pick up something else, some other craft.  It not only shuts your daughter up (if I hear "you'll never finish that latch hook" one more time....) but it is a pleasant diversion when the monotony of ship rigging is about to drive you insane....

Grymm

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Posted by Archangel Shooter on Monday, February 19, 2007 7:27 PM

I been working on the 1/72nd VIIC/41 and the tiny photo etch parts are driving me crazy!!Banged Head [banghead] I been working on this kit for the past 3-4 months and I'm ready to pull out another model to take a break. The detail sets do improve the looks of the kits but I can only put up with it for a few hours at best.

Work in progress- 1/72 VIIC/41 and now..Revell 1/48th EF-2000 Typhoon.

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Posted by cytorg on Monday, January 29, 2007 11:02 PM
I break it up by doing several things at a time.  I'm doing 2 models now, the Bismarck and the CS.  I'm stuck on the CS now because I want furled sails and I'm having trouble making them look good.  So I go back and forth, get frustrated on one, go to the other.  Do a little bit here and there.  When I'm doing rigging, I console myself that if I just run 3 or 4 lines, then I'm 3 or 4 closer to finishing.
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Posted by Wilbur Wright on Monday, January 29, 2007 7:22 PM

Although I'm only building my first sailing ship, I've built a couple of hundred models over the last 30 years. Many 20 century navy/battleships etc.

My answer on repetitive tasks is to do a little everyday and at the end of the week a large task is complete. Maybe spend 20 to 30 minutes on it everyday and thats it, no more.

I'm facing the daunting task of re-painting my 72nd scale B-36 after my current build is complete. I had better do only a small task at a time. Take several weeks to do it, and it will come out right.

You've got to break it down like that. 

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Posted by sumpter250 on Monday, January 29, 2007 5:09 PM
       This is where being a model railroader becomes an advantage. There's always another piece of rolling stock, building, tree, shrub, grassy knoll, well, you get the picture. When I get tired of staring into those cold dead eyes......uhh, rigging those deadeyes, there's tons of other things to go to. On the other hand, a completed shroud, with deadeyes siezed, and lanyards rove, is in itself, a completed model.....just a thought.

Lead me not into temptation ..................I can find it myself

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Posted by jgonzales on Monday, January 29, 2007 3:18 PM

I second the idea of an alternate model being built in parallel. Been working on my Revell Constitution 1/96 for nearly 3 years now. I lost some steam a few months ago, and started on some quickie builds of classic cars (Duesenberg, Mercedes, and Packard from the 1930's), which helped me through the modeling doldrums - Yes Virginia, I can actually finish a model!. Now I'm back on to Old Ironsides with a vengeance!

Jose Gonzales

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Posted by lolok on Monday, January 29, 2007 2:10 PM

  Oh YES...I can quite agree with you.The brain,the eye,your fingers all scream stop! It's supposed to be a relaxing hobby..

         My answer is to have 2 models on the go.Pick something light years away from your current ship and alternate between.A couple of evenings on each.

         Sci-fi,car,plane or an Arleigh Burke Destroyer.Just something to divide the time and save your brain cells.

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Posted by Michael D. on Monday, January 29, 2007 1:51 PM

Jumping from one phase to another, and a day or two off during the build helps break up the monotony for me. I purposely leave items off during the hull stage for that reason, and install them later before things get too busy with the rigging. I'm in the middle of rigging the SR now, and since i'll be adding sails....set, furled, and semi furled it gives me even more things to do to keep from getting bored on any one task. It may sound like a weird process for some, but works for me.

Michael

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Posted by Grem56 on Monday, January 29, 2007 12:03 PM

I wish I could tell you that it is possible to reach a zen-like state of mind in which rigging deadeyes an knotting ratlines becomes a stepping-stone route to nirvana but I can't. It's a case of plodding on knotting and glueing your fingers together to reach that ultimate moment that you can post the photos of the finished article here and triumphantly shout "Hoi ! look what I have just done !". That is the real satisfaction of these mind numbing tasks (my favorite was always painting the dark grey rubber road wheel surrounds on German tanks (the 3 and the 4 are winners here !) At the moment I have reached the point that I have to rig the ratlines on my Kearsarge. Whistling [:-^]Sigh [sigh]

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Posted by reklein on Monday, January 29, 2007 10:17 AM
No easy answer to that one. I usually have a game on TV or at least music. NPR radio is good too. You can argue in your mind with the radio while you're building. Years ago I used to think that the wonderful models in the mags were produced easily by guys who knew a lot of tricks to simplify the building process. I later found out that the secret was skill by practice ,practice,practice. Repitition is the key to success. I also see it as kind of like macrame which is so repetitive it drives me knots.Big Smile [:D]
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Procrastination, monotony and taking shortcuts
Posted by Grymm on Monday, January 29, 2007 9:19 AM

The following is a random thought, making almost no sense at all.  Forgive me.  It's early Monday and I'm not really looking forward to my International Marketing class which is coming up in about an hour..... 

Well, the La Reale is almost done (pictures will be coming soon), and I'm finding myself staring at the Soleil Royale and the dreaded task of rigging the deadeyes and shrouds...at least they're dreaded for me.  And the worst thing is, because of I dread the work, I have the potential to take shortcuts that would be "less" than satisfying in the end.

I've never been one to take easily to repetitive tasks. I've always been a fan of the different, where it's never the same day twice.  That's the way it is in my life for the most part.  My classes have new material every day (only 2 more classes for my Bachelor's, then on to my Master's), my job is completely unpredictable every day, just the way I like it, and of course my wife and kids keep things hopping at home. 

Then I sit down in front of the Royale...

I stare at the masts, realizing just how much I loathe the task before me.  Now, don't get me wrong, setting shrouds and ratlines can be therapeutic.  But after about the 500th knot, I find myself procrastinating...I'll find something else to do, like prepping another model, or looking up material on the web.  One can only take so many clove-hitches you know.

So my question is, how does everyone do it?  How do you force yourself, motivate yourself to do the monotonous tasks of period ship building?  And by that I mean tasks such as assembling, painting, detailing and rigging 50 or 100 guns and carronades, or setting up the ratlines on a First Rate.  I'm sure there are some people who have no problem what-so-ever and get sheer enjoyment at staring at a set of shrouds for 2-3 hours a day...me, I have to come up with interesting ways to keep me going.

What I've done is create a "mobile workstation."  Essentially it is one of those bean bag lap tables you can pick up at Wally World.  I think it's original purpose was as a breakfast-in-bed kind of thing.  But what I did was modify it for all of my rigging needs.  The surface is roughened up so things aren't as likely to slide around.  There is a small square of wood from a 2x4 with a bunch of holes in it.  I use this for rigging.  I have a bunch of alligator clips with dowels on their ends.  I can put the clips into the holes on the block in an infinite number of ways and hold literally anything in place while I rig it, say, like when I'm seizing a bunch of blocks for later use.  I can also get other things done, like when I will be cleaning up all the barrels and carriages for the cannon and carronade of the Constitution I'm going to start in a few months.  It has a lot of uses..

So now I'm a little more motivated to the more mundane tasks.  Right now, I have a whole bunch of deadeyes to get done for the shrouds on the Royal.  I'll now do the initial work on them down in the living room with the family while we watch WifeSwap.  I get the best of both worlds, and the Royal actually gets a little closer to being done.  I won't be doing any painting downstairs, but a lot of the prep work for rigging will get done.  My wife gets me downstairs, and I get my model "fix"..

So how does everyone else get through the more laborious tasks?  Do you have any secrets that make it a little faster?

Grymm

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