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Revell’s 1/96 Constitution instructions available for download

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Revell’s 1/96 Constitution instructions available for download
Posted by SKorecko on Thursday, February 1, 2007 2:07 AM

Dear friends,

I have found out, that the complete instruction sheet for Revell’s 1/96 Constitution, including standing and running rigging are available for download. Here are the links:

 

http://www.revell.com/fileadmin/consumer/plans/85-0398.pdf  (kit assembly)

 

http://www.revell.com/fileadmin/consumer/plans/85-0398_stndngRig.pdf  (standing rigging)

 

http://www.revell.com/fileadmin/consumer/plans/85-0398_runningRig.pdf  (running rigging)

 

The rigging instructions are clear, easy to follow and, IMHO, are useable for many others fully rigged ships of that period. I intend to use them as a guide for the rigging of my Le Superbe (1/150 Heller).

 

Stefan.
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Posted by Grem56 on Thursday, February 1, 2007 5:12 AM

Thanks SKorecko, very nice to have these in digital form because it is possible now to magnify certain details and print them.

cheers,

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Posted by jtilley on Saturday, February 3, 2007 11:47 AM

My obsolescent computer isn't up to the task of opening them in a civilized amount of time, but on the basis of what I could see after ten minutes or so these diagrams do look pretty good.  They're certainly light years ahead of the ones for the Alabama kit (which can be downloaded from the Revell Germany website).  This time the builder is told at least some of the names of the lines, and the diagrams are competently drawn.  (All the text appears to be in English.  I wonder if Constitution kits sold in non-English-speaking countries have different instructions.)  The Alabama instructions are a scandalous, incompetently-drawn mess.

A couple of points do need to be born in mind regarding the Constitution instructions.  First - those rigging diagrams are simplified somewhat.  The simplifications are intelligent, but the designers were working within the limitations of the plastic kit and aiming at the typical (or somewhat-more-advanced-than-typical) modeler.  The kit only includes two sizes of blocks, for example; the real ship has at least a dozen.  The integrally-molded "strops" on the kit blocks lead inevitably to some changes in the way the blocks are secured to the various spars and other points.  And of course the diagrams assume the builder is using those hideous plastic-coated thread "shrouds and ratlines."

Second - it looks like the yards are shown in the lowered positions.  (At least that appeared to be the case in the parts I downloaded.  Maybe that point is explained elsewhere on the sheet.)  That's great if you're not rigging the sails, or rigging them furled - which is what I personally would do.  But if you want to show the sails set (which I don't recommend), the yards need to be raised, and the lifts, jeers, and halyards will look a little different.

Third - the diagrams are, in effect, a somewhat simplified version of the rigging plans George Campbell drew for the Smithsonian.  (The whole kit is based on the Smithsonian's model, which was built from those plans.)  Mr. Campbell's principal source of information was the "Isaac Hull model," a fascinating contemporary artifact now in the Peabody-Essex Museum of Salem, Massachusetts.  In many respects the rigging is quite distinctive to the War of 1812 period (when the Hull model apparently was built).  I wouldn't be entirely comfortable using those diagrams as a guide to the rigging of any ship other than an American War of 1812 frigate.  For British warships of any period the source to consult is James Lees's The Masting and Rigging of English Ships of War, 1625-1860.  Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a comparable source for ships of other nations. Karl Heinz Marquardt's Eighteenth-Century Rigs and Rigging does a pretty good job of covering the various nationalistic differences, though it's pretty heavy reading - and quite expensive.  Anybody who's working on a French ship-of-the-line model (and has a sufficiently deep wallet) can find everything conceivable about the rigging of such ships (and every other feature of them) in Jean Boudriot's superb, four-volume work Le Vaisseau de 74 Canons (also available in an even more expensive English translation, The 74-gun Ship).  That one probably is beyond the budget of most amateur modelers (including me; I bought three of the volumes when I was in grad school, and my bank account never quite recovered enough to buy the fourth).  Big libraries - such as those found at universities - have copies, and the Inter-Library Loan service can get them.

Bottom line:  those Revell diagrams are pretty good, and probably more than satisfactory for most purposes.

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Posted by RedCorvette on Saturday, February 3, 2007 1:29 PM

jtilley:

1.  I think your comment about the "hideous" shrouds and ratlines is somewhat unfair.  I consider them an ingenious way by Revell to allow average modelers with limited or developing skills to complete a model that is a reasonable representation of the ship.  I'm sure they've allowed a lot more modelers to complete the kit than if Revell had just thrown some more thread in the box and said "you're on your own".  (The coated shrouds & ratlines are certainly preferable to the injection molded ones included in the most recent issues of Revell's 1/196 Constitution!). And nobody says the modeler has to use them - if you have the skills, time and patience to individually rig the shrouds, deadeyes and ratlines, then have at it. 

2.  The main assembly sheet shows the raised and lowered position of the yards.

3.  Of course the drawings are simplified.  It's a model.  Even the most elaborate plank-on- frame wooden model is still a simplified version of the original.  There are some things that even the most skilled modeler is not going to be able to replicate in scale.  Again, Revell is trying to market its products to a wide-enough market of average modelers to make it economically viable for them to stay in business.  If they were just targeting the modeling elite and selling kits for $500 or more, then I'm sure they might be able to approach things differently.

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Posted by jlsimmon1 on Saturday, February 3, 2007 2:30 PM

I downloaded the instructions from R-M a while ago, but have not checked them out yet.  One thing that I have always liked about the Revell instructions for the 1/96 Constitution and the Cutty Sark (the early instructions) is that they have rigging instructions for both sail and non sail versions.  Thanks to these 2 sets of rigging plans, you can build a very impressive sailing ship model, which I have and have given to friends and relatives.

I have lost track of the numbers of both kits that I have built in my 50 years of modeling, but I have instructions for both kits going back to 1959.  I compared the Cutty Sark instructions to the current set, and they still contain much of the same diagrams and instructions.  The Constitution instructions have not changed very much at all.  In building my kits of these models, I use the earliest copies that I have and have had very good results.

I stopped using the pre-formed ratlines early on and starting rigging them myself after the 2nd time building the Constitution 30+ years ago.  I have seen some good results by people using them, but I don't have the patience for them.  They can better used by first time builders.

I think Revell did a great service to model ship building by the earliest ship kits that they produced.  Many, if not all of us, started out working on these kits.  I can remember being facinated by the Bounty kit in a store across from Texas Tech stadium ,Lubbuck, TX  in 1959, just before we moved back to Orlando, FL.  That kit and the Flying Cloud got me to start building sailing ships in addition to the airplanes, modern warships and cars that Revell and later Monogram produced.

 

Jim

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Posted by jtilley on Saturday, February 3, 2007 3:43 PM

I'd have trouble deciding which approach to shrouds and ratlines looks worse - the plastic-coated thread or the injection-molded parts.  To my eye, both look awful.

Either approach could be made to look a great deal better - if Revell took the trouble.  The big problems with the plastic-coated thread approach are that (1) they're so difficult to get taut (though the smaller kits are worse in that respect than the big ones); (2) they don't look right where they're secured to the mastheads; and (3) the "shrouds" and "ratlines" are the same diameter.  (The shrouds should be much heavier than the Revell versions, and the ratlines should be lighter.)  I don't know exactly what technical problems may be involved in producing those things, but it seems like it ought to be possible to make the shrouds and ratlines in different diameters.  (The other two problems may be endemic to the system.)

I think injection-molded shrouds and ratlines probably could be made to look pretty effective - if, again, the manufacturer would make the effort.  The ones I've seen in the small Revell kits are ludicrously heavy, and seem to have been formed in molds with the detail cut in only one half.  (One side of each "set" of shrouds and ratlines is flat.)  Given the fantastically fine detail that's possible with injection molding these days, it surely would be possible to mold them in such a way that (a) the diameters of all the lines were much closer to scale; (b) the ratlines were thinner than the shrouds; and (c) the ratlines sagged between the shrouds.

Lindberg, in its two forays into the sailing ship realm back in the sixties, came up with a solution to the Great Ratline Problem that, I think, showed promise.  The shrouds and ratlines of the Lindberg Wappen von Hamburg and La Flore (currently being sold as "Captain Kidd" and "Jolly Roger") were molded in a soft, stretchy plastic - something like polyethylene or vinyl.  The idea was that, when they were installed, they stretched a little, so they were nice and taut.  (And the ratlines were molded so they "sagged" between the shrouds.)  In these particular kits the parts don't fit really well, but I think the basic idea was sound. 

Back in the fifties and the early sixties, the sailing ship kits in the Revell line were (arguably) the most sophisticated plastic kits on the market.  That's no longer the case.  Revell hasn't produced a genuinely new sailing ship kit in thirty years, and during that time the technology in other segments of the plastic kit industry have advanced by leaps and bounds, leaving the sailing ship kits as relics of another time. 

My observation in my last post that the Revell rigging diagrams are simplified was not intended as a criticism - just as an acknowledgment of something the newcomer ought to be aware of.  In the second paragraph of that post I said:  "The simplifications are intelligent, but the designers were working within the limitations of the plastic kit and aiming at the typical (or somewhat-more-advanced-than-typical) modeler." 

In my opinion the ideal approach to sail plans in model kits is the one Model Shipways has occasionally used.  The sail plan in the MS Phantom kit, for example, shows all the rigging and all the rigging fittings that were in the actual ship - and a separate sheet offers suggestions for simplifying those fittings, for the benefit of the less experienced modeler.  In casting its blocks with integral strops, Revell was using the most practical technology of the time.  Imai, more than ten years later, demonstrated that it was possible to cast a block with a hole through it and a groove around it for the strop.  Revell in 1965, couldn't do that.  I do think the kit could have had more different sizes of blocks.  The big Heller kits do - though that's one of the few points they have to recommend them over the Revell ones.

RedCorvette's observation that the modeler is free to replace the blocks, deadeyes, etc. in a kit is, of course, correct.  (I've said for years that most modelers would find they can rig their own ratlines if they'd give it a try.  It doesn't take nearly as much skill, time, or patience as most people seem to think - especially in the case of the big-scale kits.)  I have to confess, though, that the absence of rigging fittings in such kits bothers me more than it used to, for one simple reason - money.  It was one thing to buy a Revell Cutty Sark for $10.00 and spent another $20.00 on blocks and deadeyes for it.  Nowadays the kit costs close to $100.00, and a full complement of blocks and deadeyes from Bluejacket would cost $200.00 or more.  Even with inflation taken into account, that's quite a chunk of change - especially for a newcomer.

It's interesting (if depressing) to speculate about what the modern sailing ship kit would look like if that phase of the hobby had kept up with the others.  A few months back I bought, mainly out of curiosity, a new Dragon Sherman tank.  It has over 600 parts.  The modeler can choose between plastic and aluminum gun barrels.  The suspension system has scale springs.  The tracks have individual links - made in a special mold that virtually eliminates sprue stubs and ejection pin marks.  The fenders and engine grills are represented by photo-etched brass parts.  The tiny machine guns have hollowed out barrels.  Etc., etc.  No sailing ship kit on the market - plastic, wood, or otherwise - demonstrates such a level of sophistication.  If Dragon, Tamiya, or Hasegawa were to put that kind of technology and ingenuity into a sailing ship kit....Well, we can dream. 

I suppose the market isn't big enough to justify such an undertaking, and probably never will be.  There probably will always be more aircraft and tank enthusiasts - and a first-rate airplane or tank model, after all, doesn't take as long to build as a sailing ship does; ergo the sailing ship modeler doesn't buy kits as often.  Imai, back in the late seventies and early eighties, gave us a hint of what ingenious design and financial daring could do with sailing ships.  And Imai went out of business.  That, presumably, was not a coincidence.

In the meantime, I continue to regard the old Revell Constitution and Cutty Sark kits as fine ones - even without taking account of their age.  They're basically sound and accurate kits - far better bases for serious scale models than at least ninety percent of those high-priced, continental European, plank-on-bulkhead wood kits that are so often promoted as the "ultimate" ship models.

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Posted by sumpter250 on Sunday, February 4, 2007 10:23 PM

Even the most elaborate plank-on- frame wooden model is still a simplified version of the original.  There are some things that even the most skilled modeler is not going to be able to replicate in scale. 

http://www.railimages.com/gallery/peterjuengst/aby  shows a 17' whitehall skiff ,( hanging astern of a 40' cutter rig sailing vessel ),in 1/64 scale (3" long) plank on frame using .013" X 1/32" basswood for the hull. The wheel has 48 individual pieces of lumber, and a turned brass hub. The only commercial fittings used in the model were blocks, deadeyes, chain, and belaying pins. No, the shackles do not have threaded pins, but the steering gear works, all the "ironwork" is hand built, and the centerboard would work if I could have built the winch to scale. All the eyes in the running rigging are actual splices, and in the standing rigging, are siezed. There would have been a fully gimballed compass in the binacle, but I couldn't find drill bits small enough to drill the pivot holes, I have the compass body in a parts box somewhere. Oh, the cardboard box, with the junk in it, was made from  a brown paper bag. The only thing that limits what a modeler can replicate in scale, is experience with the materials, and the tools.

 The point? If the modeler has an accurate, detailed, rigging plan, he/she can choose just how much of that detail they wish to attempt to replicate, and not be limited by the contents of a simplified, albiet less expensive, kit The MS Phantom kit that jtilley mentioned has an excellent rigging plan, and it also has a set of instructions on how to most simply, construct some of the ironwork, using paper strips, instead of soldering up brass pieces. There are a number of people here who have built the same kit several times. Wouldn't it be nice, on say the third build, to include every bit and piece possible, just to make the build that much more fun.

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Posted by Powder Monkey on Monday, February 5, 2007 6:50 AM
 sumpter250 wrote:

There would have been a fully gimballed compass in the binacle, but I couldn't find drill bits small enough to drill the pivot holes, I have the compass body in a parts box somewhere.

 

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You could scratch build the drills too. I haven't seen this book, but it sounds like it would work. There are people making incedibly detailed stuff. It all comes down to hard you want to work and how patient you are. I agree that one should increase the detail on each new build. Just build to your comfort level ( and maybe push that limit a little). 

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