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Revell Kearsarge Modifications(1864). Let the Journey Begin

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    January 2005
  • From: Tampa, Florida, USA
Posted by steves on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:57 AM

Leftie, 

I believe the object in the photo is the stock of a stowed anchor.   There is one in that position on Roberts' 1864 model.  

I'm a little unclear about exactly what you are asking in the second question.   Roofs of deckhouses should be water tight and, in spite of Revell using essentially one kit to represent both ships, I think the Kearsarge and the Alabama would have had little, if anything, in common as far as details and fittings were concerned.

 

Steve Sobieralski, Tampa Bay Ship Model Society

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Posted by Leftie on Sunday, February 11, 2007 5:50 PM

  Steve,

     There's nothing as sweet as a dremel getting a workout.

     I'm glad you said to eliminate those gun ports. I didn't like the moulded on doors anyway.

    Is there any hull detail I should keep? What about that half round on the side? What is that?

    And one modeler had the roof of the deck housings spaced to be less than water tight like the Alabama kit. Do you think that's right?

    Thanks for your help.

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    January 2005
  • From: Tampa, Florida, USA
Posted by steves on Sunday, February 11, 2007 1:45 PM
I've given this a little bit of thought over the years, so here's my two cents:

The lower shear rail on the model appears to be in the approximate location of the original cap rail, which formed the top of the gun ports.   You could cut the bulwarks off at the top of the lower rail, except towards the bow where the forecastle deck was, and let the lower rail act as the new cap rail.  However, as the shear of the ship was straightened in the 1870's when the bulwarks were raised, to be really accurate you will need to reintroduce the curve back into the shear line, about 8 inches lower at the centerline than at the stern according to Roberts' research.

Whether you decide to correct the shear line or not, there are several other modifications that need to be made to the hull.   For one, the kit hull has too many gun ports.   The 1864 Kearsarge apparently had only one broadside gun port between the two rectangular pivot gun ports, not three as the kit does, and two, not three, ahead of the forward pivot gun port.  In addition, much of the other hull detail, such as pipes and plates, is probably not accurate for 1864.  Unfortunately, once you fill in the extraneous gun ports and remove some surface details you are going to have major discontinuities in the kits raised planking detail.   This will be difficult, if not impossible, to replicate.

If it were me, I think I would probably start by filling in the open broadside gun ports on both sides of the hull.  (You also need to check the locations and sizes of the pivot gun ports as they may have moved when the ship was rearmed in the 1880s.  Hopefully they did not, but if they did you will have to fill in the open ones on the starboard side.)   I would then remove, by sanding and chiseling,  all the raised detail, except the headrails, above the waterline.   If you decide not to correct the shear line you could leave the rail molding, but if you are going to correct it I would remove all the detail.  Once you have a clean flush hull you can plot and cut the new shear line and then locate and cut the gun ports you want to open at the correct locations.  If desired, prior to cutting any new holes you could scribe in the planking runs to retain some of the appearance of the original detail (you're an airplane guy so you might have some experience with scribing).

Not easy nor for the faint of heart.   Good luck.

Steve Sobieralski, Tampa Bay Ship Model Society

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Posted by Leftie on Sunday, February 11, 2007 1:01 PM

  Thanks Guys. I'm sure it can be done. I'm just not sure it can be done by me:-)

 

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Posted by EPinniger on Sunday, February 11, 2007 12:53 PM
I'll be watching this thread with interest! I don't think I've seen or heard of a "backdated" Kearsarge model before (I built my kit more or less out-of-the box).
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  • From: Netherlands
Posted by Grem56 on Sunday, February 11, 2007 12:11 PM

Good luck on this project Leftie, I am really curious how you are going to remodel the Kearsarge. Please keep us up to date with photos etc.

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Posted by sumpter250 on Sunday, February 11, 2007 11:07 AM

Leftie,

   Most carpenters will say "measure twice, cut once". For the project you are starting I would modify that to "Research 'til exhausted, measure twice, cut once". The modifications I'm doing to the Aurora Wanderer, have had me back at the research, again and again. What I have learned is that if you are researching the "deck layout", you also have to pay attention to all the other details, and how they relate to the "deck". In short, if there is one discrepancy between the model, and reality, there are probably many more, some of them not quite so obvious, and some of those very difficult to correct "after the fact". Best of luck with the project.

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Revell Kearsarge Modifications(1864). Let the Journey Begin
Posted by Leftie on Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:54 AM

  Now that I have some idea what needs to be done, I'd like to get a little feedback so I don't turn this $100 kit into a pile of scrap in the garbage can.

   It appears that the cap rail should be lowered. I'm debating if I should cut down to the top of the cannon doors or just above the side moulding. It looks like I'll have to add a moulding below the cut that would intersect the middle of the cannon door.

  The masts do seem to be located further aft. Some more than others. I haven't checked out the mast diameter yet but that may have to be changed also.

  Shortening the Forecastle will be the easy part but finding a good reference for the spray rail may be more difficult.

   I plan to plank the deck to allow me to change everything from the houses to the hatches. Even the cannon tracks seem to be a bit off.

  Thanks to all who have spent their time and money to help me with this adventure.

  More questions later I'm sure...

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