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Posted by Gwitness on Sunday, February 26, 2006 9:05 PM
The Kit is being built as Commisioned.....as my wife was there for the commisioning.
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Posted by Gwitness on Sunday, February 26, 2006 9:04 PM
Whoa.......deja-vu....I made the original post on this subject almost 3 years ago....got sidetracked and lost all my original member info...so I just re-registered.....I'm RonW  :)
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Posted by mfsob on Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:46 PM
I think we've hashed over the "correct" shade of bottom red enough to agree that it is a VERY subjective thing. If you're doing a WW II ship, it can even depend which shipyard it first came out of, or which theater the ship ended up in. When my daughter and I tackled the Titanic, she grabbed the spray can of Testors flat red, that's what we used, and it looked great.
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Posted by rgbenson on Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:06 PM

Hi Mike!

 

Thanks for your excellent contribution on USN paints. 

I don't know of any specific FS matches, but the best  I've found so far is Floquil Tuscan Red.

Other folks might have more detail, but I am pleased with that color so far. 

 

Cheers,

 

Rob

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Posted by PBoilermaker on Sunday, February 26, 2006 5:06 PM

 subfixer wrote:
Mike is absolutely, 100% correct. Thank you, Mike, for your contribution, it is first class! I might add that for ships being depicted prior to the late 1970s, red lead primer be substituted for the tan/light green primers that are used now.

You're quite welcome, glad to help. 

I didn't know that bit about the red primers pre-1970's...what approximation of red would work for models?

-Mike

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Posted by subfixer on Sunday, February 26, 2006 5:35 AM
Mike is absolutely, 100% correct. Thank you, Mike, for your contribution, it is first class! I might add that for ships being depicted prior to the late 1970s, red lead primer be substituted for the tan/light green primers that are used now.

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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Posted by PBoilermaker on Sunday, February 26, 2006 2:25 AM

First off, I am an an active duty US Navy officer and have been building models since I was a kid.  I have spent all of my sea time thus far on CG's, DD's, FFG's and DDG's, so my comments apply mainly to these types.  What follows is probably more than you ever wanted to know about modern Navy colors.

I have seen this discussed at length and it amazes me how many people get it truly confused.  This is tricky if you want to accurately model a ship as far as these colors are concerned and I would recommend working from photos.  However, if you want to model your ship to represent 100% freshly-applied paint (very rare unless you are making it as it appeared at commissioning), you would need three colors (Haze Gray, Deck Gray and Non-Skid/Flight Deck Gray).

Haze Gray, as many of you know, is applied to all vertical surfaces of a ship's superstructure and masts (including VLS, antennae, launchers, etc).  It is also applied to the hull down to the black boot topping.  Haze Gray is usually consistent in color from batch to batch and when touch ups are performed by ship's force they blend in quite well.  The reason you may see variation in this color of paint is due to weathering and the ship's departmental painting policies/priorities. 

When freshly applied, Deck Gray (sometimes referred to as "Slick Deck") is a different shade of gray than the non-skid.  It is used on all horizontal surfaces that do not require the tractive qualities of non-skid and you will typically see a thin band of it along -all- of the extreme deck edges (to help with water drainage), along panel lines on the decks (e.g. the edges of hatches and bolted panels so that they can be closed properly and sit flush), around the bases of almost all deck fittings (vents, scuttles, pipes, bitts, equipment bases, chocks, etc) and on horizontal surfaces that do not normally see human traffic (certain platforms, unused decks, etc). 

Non-skid (Flight Deck Gray) paint has a somewhat purple hue relative to Deck Gray and is only applied over large areas by contractors (NOT usually Navy personnel), but it is almost as dark as deck gray.  The non-skid material has abrasive particles mixed into a base paint and it is applied in such a way that deeply textured ridges are formed.  Although this really helps with traction, it can also seriously injure you if you fall on it (MUCH worse than "Road Rash").  The application process starts with the grinding of the deck surface down to bare metal.  Contractors work in large areas, so you will usually see the entire fantail being done, the entire forecastle, the flight deck, or the main deck (in sections).  It is unusual to see all of these areas being re-done at the same time.  After grinding the decks to bare metal, a primer is applied (typically tan, but it could be pale green).  Once this primer is dry, contractors paint the edges of the deck, equipment bases, panel edges, deck equipment and other deck fittings (see list above) Deck Gray (much the same way you "edge" around wall fixtures and doorways when you paint a room at home).  Once this edging of Deck Gray is applied, the non-skid material is mixed in large batches and applied to the remaining deck areas using special rollers that allow a certain texture to be created (it isn't just slathered on).  Keep in mind that the non-skid is not usually applied all the way to the edge of the decks or the deck fittings and deck hatches...that is why they pre-apply the Deck Gray edging first.  Despite the fact that some model paints are called "Flight Deck Gray", the flight deck, forecastle, main decks, fantail, and superstructure decks are ALL coated in the same kind of non-skid paint. 

As stated before, the Deck Gray paint is slightly different than the non-skid as far as hue when freshly applied.  It should also be pointed out that the non-skid surfaces weather and fade to a shade of gray similar to Haze Gray (yes, that light...almost chalky) after a short time while the edging and other "Deck Gray" areas remain relatively dark.  The lines of "Proper Deck Colors" are further blurred on real ships when ship's force apply what is called "Deck Wash" to entire swaths of weathered and rusty decks.  This "Deck Wash" is significantly thinned Deck Gray (about 50% thinner or more) and it is rolled onto the deck, covering -everything- (including the non-skid) in a uniform color.  I have also seen sections of deck washed in a thin mixture of Black paint because it was all that was available. 

"Deck Washing" is usually done by individual Departments or Divisions within each ship's CoC and as such, they only paint areas of the deck (and superstructure) that are their responsibility.  It must be noted that if ship's force applies this wash to any portion of the deck that contains helicopter markings, helo ops for the affected area on that ship are technically de-certified for use.  Take a look at reference photos...the helo deck and the forecastle/fantail VERTREP markings are usually untouched and faded while the decks around them are a different color due to touch-ups.  So, in reality, you can actually observe a multitude of deck and superstructure paint differences/patches on real ships because each Dept or Div paints their areas when they need to.  True, Navy regs say you are not authorized to paint for beautification only, but I defy you to find a ship in the fleet that doesn't do what I mention above to keep the ship looking good (even if it really doesn't help with preservation).

Wanting to be as specific as possible with my models, I took notes/photos/paint samples of the ships I have served on and the above discrepancies are EASY to spot.  How you choose to paint your ship is up to you, but if realism is what you are after, have a closer look at the reference photos for your subject and I'll bet the decks and superstructure look like a patchwork of grays.  If you ever wondered why, now you know.

HTH.

Mike   

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 27, 2003 8:16 PM
Militaryman is right. I am currently active duty navy with 17 yrs and jsut transferred from USS REUBEN JAMES FFG-57. Haze Gray for the sides, deck gray for the weatherdecks, and flight deck gray for the flight deck. The reason the flight deck is a different color is not so much the paint but the non-skid for flight decks is a different standard than normal weatherdecks.
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Posted by Jeff Herne on Thursday, September 18, 2003 1:32 PM
Here's the Federal Standard numbers for the colors you want. Testor's Modelmaster has aircraft colors that use these same FS#s, so as long as the numbers match you're ok. For the Anti-Fouling Red, I typically use a model railroad color, usually Oxide Red, but Tusan Red or Boxcar Red will also work. For the Flight decks, I use Tamiya Panzer Gray mixed with a little black.

Haze Gray: FS 36270 (26270 for scale effect)
Deck Gray: FS 36008 (26176 for scale effect)

Regards,

Jeff Herne
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Posted by therriman on Thursday, September 18, 2003 10:08 AM
For those of us that surved on true surface ships, not Large Targets. Deck Gray is the shade of gray used on weatherdecks. Flight Deck Gray is much darker, your "texured Flat Black" is really Flight Deck Gray. Their is also Boot Topping Black Which is the black at the waterline.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:20 PM
militaryman,
What are the other colrs of grey that you are talking about? I served in the Navy for 6 years, and have never heard of them. Flight decks, including helo pads, were non-skid. The red (with yellow striping) I could see for foul lines, Flight Deck Grey and Deck Grey? Curious...

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 9:29 PM
thanks for the info, I'm going to be starting a Perry class frigate in 1/700 with Gold Medal p.e. wanted to make sure I get it right.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 8:49 PM
There are basically four colors. Haze Gray, Deck Gray, Flight Deck gray and Anti-fouling Red. I have used White Ensign Models paint from The Floating Drydock.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:50 PM
Everthing is now painted a uniform Haze Grey. Pretty easy scheme to do. There are minor variations in color, due to oxidation and fading, but not very visible unless in direct sunlight. Decks are usually non-skid, which is nothing more than textured Flat Black. Hope it helps.

demono69
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Modern U.S. Navy colors
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:54 AM
I have'nt done a ship kit in years, I would like to know what the proper hull ,superstructure, and deck colors are for a modern U.S. warship.
thx, Ron.
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