SEARCH FINESCALE.COM

Enter keywords or a search phrase below:

Sailing Ship Kit-Bashing

1008 views
7 replies
1 rating 2 rating 3 rating 4 rating 5 rating
  • Member since
    August 2005
  • From: vernon hills illinois
Posted by sumpter250 on Tuesday, April 3, 2007 4:31 PM

I would think that it would be fairly easy to 'kit-bash' some interesting variations on a number of standard models produced today. 

   Pick a model, pick a prototype, bash away, and post some photos.You will find, however, that in some cases, kitbashing is far harder than scratchbuilding. Think about it, kitbash?, carefully remove the nonvalid parts, and scratchbuild the correct ones. Scratchbuilt?, just build the parts. In my Surprise, there is little of the original kit being used. I'll use what I can, the rest......is work!

Lead me not into temptation ..................I can find it myself

  • Member since
    April 2004
Posted by Chuck Fan on Saturday, March 31, 2007 1:52 PM

Thanks.   I am leaning towards a conversion to 1797 Victory, although a conversion to NMM Victory would be easier and much less work.

 

  • Member since
    March 2007
  • From: Portsmouth, RI
Posted by searat12 on Friday, March 30, 2007 8:53 PM
Best of luck on the conversion, and I really hope you will post some photos!  You will probably be stuck with either an earlier version of HMS Victory, or another British first rate (Collingwood's Royal Sovereign?), since the number of guns on the decks and their arrangements are not like the Spanish of French first rates....
  • Member since
    April 2004
Posted by Chuck Fan on Friday, March 30, 2007 6:40 PM

I have 2 Heller Victory kits.  One is being built (its 4th year on the stocks) to something like the generally accepted Trafalgar configuration, the other was acquired as a spar parts provider.    It has crossed my mind that the second can eventually be converted to something else.   Some of the ideas that I toyed with includes: 

1. Victory in the Battle of Cape Saint Vincent (1797) configuration.  This configuration is generally well known, but must involve large amounts of intricate scratch building to reflect the elborate open stern and massive original figurehead sculpture.

2. Victory in an alternative Traflagar configuration.  This configuration is represented by a contemporay model in Greenwich NMM.    It is very significantly different from the commonly accepted configuration shown by the restored Victory in Portsmouth so that if you see it, you might at first not recognize her as the Victory.   But it would not be hugely difficult to convert the Heller Victory to this configuration.

3. Another English 1st rate built between 1765 and 1790.

4. A notable non-English first rate of similar dimensions.

 

  • Member since
    May 2003
  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Friday, March 30, 2007 2:04 PM

It's been quite a few years since I laid eyes on that old Aurora Bonhomme Richard kit.  My recollection, though, is that it represented a considerably larger ship than either the Surprise or the Rose.  (Some modelers get enthusiastic over those old Aurora kits - and make pretty impressive models out of them.  Frankly the injection-molded sails, with the integrally-molded yards, turn me off - as do the prices one has to pay to get hold of the kits these days.)

I wouldn't want to assert that nobody has converted a plastic Victory kit to the ship's 1765 configuration - but I've never encountered such a model.  (I know of three that represent the ship as built:  the big "Board Room" model in the National Maritime Museum,the beautiful "scenic model" by Harold Wyllie at Portsmouth, and the exquisite small-scale one by Donald McNarry.)  Such a conversion would be a  huge project that, frankly, I wouldn't want to undertake.  To reproduce all that wonderful carved work on the bow and the stern, and the fretwork of the stern gallery rails, would be quite a challenge for carving skills far greater than mine.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

  • Member since
    March 2007
  • From: Portsmouth, RI
Posted by searat12 on Thursday, March 29, 2007 3:39 PM
Interesting thread on 'HMS Surprise,' but I wonder whether 'kit-bashing' the old Aurora 'Bonhomme Richard' might not make a closer version to the 'HMS Rose' used in the movie.... It IS peculiar that no-one seems to have attempted to alter HMS Vistory to her original appearance, as Victory spent about the first thirty years of her life (and several battles other than Trafalgar) with the 'open stern gallery' layout (and looked better, to my eye too!)....
  • Member since
    May 2003
  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Thursday, March 29, 2007 1:17 PM
I've never had much inclination to go that route myself, but there are some good examples of this sort of thing here in the Forum.  Several folks have converted the old Lindberg La Flore (currently marketed under the name "Jolly Roger Pirate Ship") to their own versions of H.M.S. Surprise, from the Patrick O'Brian novels and the movie "Master and Commander."  If you do a search on the term "H.M.S. Surprise" you'll find some interesting stuff.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

  • Member since
    March 2007
  • From: Portsmouth, RI
Sailing Ship Kit-Bashing
Posted by searat12 on Thursday, March 29, 2007 11:28 AM
I have noticed that in many cases, particularly with ships of the Napoleonic era, a large number of ships were built to the same hull plan (the French designer, Sane' designed a number of ships like 74's and others that were accepted by the French government as standard types, and the British and others did likewise), I would think that it would be fairly easy to 'kit-bash' some interesting variations on a number of standard models produced today.  Really, the main differences would involve the quarter pieces, stern decorations/galleries, the figureheads, and perhaps some rail details.  Heller has essentially done this with the 'Suberbe' and 'Glorieaux,' and I would think similar efforts could be done with 'Royal Louis,' and perhaps even the HMS Victory (particularly bringing her back to her pre-Trafalgar open gallery confuguration).  Has anyone out there tried this, and do you have any good tips as to how to do it?
JOIN OUR COMMUNITY!

Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account.

SEARCH FORUMS
FREE NEWSLETTER
By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. View our Privacy Policy.