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Lindberg's War of Independence Schooner

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  • Member since
    August 2006
  • From: Sydney, Australia
Posted by Robert on Friday, June 15, 2007 5:46 AM
 I remember first building this kit as the "Belle Isle" from Heller, back in 1966. They put out the Harriet Lane as "Le Sphinx" and the Gertrude L Thebaud as the "Duchesse Anne". All lovely models, and the first sailing ships I ever built.
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    December 2002
  • From: Derry, New Hampshire, USA
Posted by rcboater on Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:29 PM
 jtilley wrote:

May that kit stay available for a long, long time.

I, too, have always had a fondness for this kit. That was one of th reasons I went looking for it. 

Too bad it isn't available now.  I spent a couple of months looking for one-- they only come up on ebay once every couple of weeks, and kept selling for more than I was willing to pay.  I finally was able to snag one for $30.  

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  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:55 PM

I have to confess to a considerable feeling of nostalgia for this old kit.  I built it quite a few years ago, and it was the subject of the first article I ever had published (in August, 1974 issue of the late, unlamented Scale Modeler).

I agree with most of the above comments - including the one about the anachronistic guns.  A few other points:

1.  The kit was based, almost completely, on the Model Shipways solid-hull wood Roger B. Taney kit.  (The two gentlemen who founded, and for many years owned, Model Shipways were in the habit of referring to Pyro as "Pirate Plastics."  Pyro also lifted the Model Shipways plans for the Harriet Lane, the Fair American, the tug Dispatch No. 9, and the trawler Hildina.  The kit Lindberg currently calls an "America's Cup Racer" was originally the Pyro Gertrude L. Thebaud; it, in turn, was pirated from a Marine Models wood kit.)

2.  The "closed" gunport lids are represented by raised lines - and in at least a couple of cases the lines on the insides and outsides of the bulwarks don't line up with each other.

3.  The thwarts in the small boat don't reach the gunwales.

4.  The blob at the end of the headrails doesn't represent a "billethead" figurehead well.  Replacing it with one made from Milliput, or some other epoxy putty, would make quite a difference.

5.  I don't think either the Model Shipways or Pyro/Lindberg kit actually represents the Roger B. Taney.  I think Model Shipways based its original plans on the plans for the Morris class revenue cutters redrawn by Howard I. Chapelle for his first major book, The History of American Sailing Ships, in 1936.  Chapelle seems to have assumed - quite reasonably - that the Taney, usually being described as a member of that class, was built to those plans (which he'd traced from an original in the National Archives).  A few years later, though, Chapelle found another set of original drawings with the name of the Taney on them.  He published a redrawn version of those plans in his later book, The History of the American Sailing Navy.  This set shows a slightly fancier ship, with somewhat more elaborate decorations and a few other differences from the generic Morris class plans.

For all that, I still like the kit a great deal.  It does indeed form a good, sound basis for a scale model of a Morris class revenue cutter - and it's the sort of kit that can be tackled successfully by a newcomer to the hobby.  (There are, unfortunately, few plastic sailing ship kits in that category on the market at the moment.)  I especially like the stand - the little one-piece, trapezoidal block that supports the forward part of the ship, while the stern rests on the baseboard.  Simple but effective.  May that kit stay available for a long, long time.

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  • From: istanbul/Turkey
Posted by kapudan_emir_effendi on Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:32 AM

I think you may be interested with that thread:

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  • Member since
    August 2006
  • From: Sydney, Australia
Posted by Robert on Thursday, June 14, 2007 2:55 AM
 I am just finishing my third attempt (in 41 years) on this kit, an original Pyro version, and I could not really do anything with the hull, not even scribe a waterline. So I left it as it is, totally black. I agree that the guns do not look right, though just what is wrong is hard to say. They look too small and the blocks look too big. But it makes up into a reasonable looking model. My copy has chain, which helps. Good luck with your building.  
  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Derry, New Hampshire, USA
Lindberg's War of Independence Schooner
Posted by rcboater on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:32 PM

 

I recently acquired a copy of this kit- the 1990 or so Lindberg edition of the old 1/79 scale Pyro kit.   This is the first time I seen the kit in person since I built one as a teen in the early 1970s.   A couple of observations:

1.  I take back at least some of the bad things I said about Lindberg.  I had always assumed that their "War of Independence" label was some more of their marketing foolishness.  (Like calling  the Bluenose kit an "America's Cup Racer".)    Turns out I'm wrong-- the instruction sheet  says that this is a model of one one of the first ships of the Texas Navy.   The old Pyro kit originated as a kit of the US Revenue Cutter Roger B Taney, from the 1830s.   SO at least the tiemline is right, as Texas' Independence started in the mid 1830s as well, IIRC.

2.  The kit is smaller than I remember.  (Maybe I'm just bigger!) 

3.  The hull is totally devoid of any planking or coppering detail.   The main deck planking is represented by raised lines.  

4.  The instructions aren't bad- Lindberg reprinted the original Pyro instructions, so all the  parts are idetnified by name, and the rigging diagram isn't too bad.   The kit provides one spool of black thread to be used for all the rigging- no distinction between standing and running rigging is made. 

5.  The gun ports are split, and are all molded integrally with the hull parts. A  couple of them are molded in the open position.

6.  The provided guns look a little odd- they look more like 18th century Spanish guns than 19th century pieces.

7. The spars are generally molded OK-- all have a molding seam, but none of them seem to be out of round from mold mis-alignment. I'm thinking about replacing them with wood pieces anyways- that, plus planking the deck, would be a big upgrade in the model's appearance.  

All in all, this looks like a decent basis for a nice model-- I can see a number of places where it will be relatively easy to upgrade components.   The one thing I'm not sure about is what to do about the smooth hull-- about the only think I can think of doing would be to scribe in some planking lines-- but that would be a lot of work, and hard to keep everything straight and parallel.   I've never been interested in rescribing panel lines on an aircraft model, so I'm not very keen on trying it on a curvy  hull.

 

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