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Posted by stretchie on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 4:00 AM

Its the wait that is killing me. Smile [:)]

 

I'll wait a couple weeks to ask about the Fargo class light cruisers. Wink [;)] 

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Posted by Maddog129 on Monday, September 3, 2007 5:57 PM

Re: Iron Shipwright: EdGrune is right on the money! I am currently assembling a diorama using one of their smaller kits. I have been in touch with the company several times Re: extra parts, replacement parts and just plain dumb questions. The company not only puts out a good product, they stand behind what they sell. At first, I found the only drawback to the resin kit was how fragile it could be. I have found that it makes up for that through versitility, as well as ease of the resin parts being modified, including the model itself. Scratchbuilt parts are easier with the resin, also.

I recommend them highly.

Regards,

The Dave

"People sleep peacably at night with the knowledge that rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf" Attributed to George Orwell
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Posted by stretchie on Saturday, September 1, 2007 12:46 PM

 Jon wrote:

        Thanks for the input.  Actually, the pattern's already complete, and it's just a matter of fitting it into our production schedule.  In the attached photo, the pattern's the one in the middle with the yellowish superstructure.  I don't know when this will be put into production, but it is coming.

 

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!!!!!!!  Cool [8D]

 

Now I need to learn how to assemble a resin kit. Shock [:O] 

 

The waiting is the hardest part.... Smile [:)] 

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Posted by EdGrune on Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:42 AM
 stretchie wrote:

Ed...you don't mess around, do you? Smile [:)] Outstanding description. I didn't realize how much work there is.

I guess as sort of a disclaimer,  I've worked for them.  I have made some masters for them,  including the USS Monitor,  the WWI Eagle patrol boat, a Smith-class destroyer, and a PGM gunboat.  I have also worked their stand at several national and regional convention/shows.

I only do it part time and am slow.  Jon can turn out some fine work at a pretty rapid pace.  But the whole process is still labor intensive.

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Posted by stretchie on Sunday, August 26, 2007 5:47 AM

Shock [:O]

 

Ed...you don't mess around, do you? Smile [:)] Outstanding description. I didn't realize how much work there is. I did send an email to them. I haven't purchased anything from them, but I still admire their work...and what some peole can do with those kits.

 

 

Off-topic, funny thing about that "if wishes were horses" thing...I first saw it the other day and the first thing that popped into my head was "if wishes were horses, we'd all be chin deep in horse s..err...stuff" Big Smile [:D] 

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Posted by EdGrune on Saturday, August 25, 2007 9:36 AM

Its sort of a 'wishes were horses we all would ride' kind of thing.  

In order to build a suitable model you need a set of viable plans.

I've worked with Jon Warneke of ISW in the US Archives (NARA) looking through the stacks for old battleship/cruiser/destroyer/etc. plans.   There is a lot of old stuff which is untouchable, even by the NARA staff.  Many are on an old parchament-type paper which were rolled and left.  They are so brittle that they cannot be touched for fear that they will crumble.   These items are being left as is/where is until NARA comes up with some new technology that will allow the retreival of the information contained. 

Once you get a set of plans they need to be scaled to the appropriate size (FedEX/Kinkos to the rescue) and multiple copies made. 

Next take the hull elevation and cross sections and laminate them to pieces of plastic stock.  Cement all the butt line sections tot the elevation at the correct spacing.   Brace as required.   Cover the whole thing in masking tape and pour liquid resin into all the spaces.   When the resin is hard, remove the tape and sand the resin back to the plastic forms.  Fill imperfections, sand, prime, polish, repeat until smooth and satisfied with the form. 

Apply applique items to the hull, rubrails, bilge keels, grooved deck, hawse lips, etc.

Build superstructure parts from plexiglass sheathed in styrene.  Drill portholes where plans indicate.  Add PE details to the master (hatches, hoses, etc.).  Glue O1 level superstructure to the deck.  Build subsequent levels in a manner that they can be cast.

Add other deck fittings.  Make master pieces if you don't have some in your stock.

Now you are ready to begin production.   Make a box large enough to hold the hull.   Mount the hull on some pour stubs & cement in box.   Box needs to be 1" or more larger in all dimensions than hull.  Mix & pour RTV, degas and allow to harden.  (BTW RTV costs about 30 dollars per quart (over the counter, bulk buys are less) and a large kit may take 5 quarts ! (Ca-ching $)

Make smaller molds for all the small parts.

Remove the master plug from the RTV mold.  Did it come out without tearing the mold - good!  If not, re-engineer and try another mold (Ca-ching $)

Mix and pour resin into the hull mold.  A large battleship mold may take 4 or 5 pounds of resin.   Resin also costs about 30 bucks over the counter.  (Ca-ching $)

Remove the hull from the RTV.  Quality time - did it pour & fill all the voids?  is it useable?  If not - re-engineer, repour RTV, repour resin,  repeat (Ca-ching $).

Production - pour hulls and parts.  Those which pass initial quality levels go into production.  Those which fail go into the trash.  Resin cannot be remelted and reused.

Due to the heat generated by resin as it hardens, the life of a RTV mold is 30 to 50 pulls (maximum).  They may be less.   In the initial production of the ISW USS Langley, the mold failed after 4 pulls.  The master had to be re-engineered and new RTV poured.  I have one of the first four kits made because I have the original configuration. 

Make new RTV molds if your production run is more than 30 to 50.

Make all your small resin parts using the same steps.

Draw the photo-etch art.  Deliver it to a etcher.  Get trial sample back and verify that it fits.  Adjust the art as required.  Put the art into production. 

Instructions .... well, ISW really doesn't do those well.  Line drawings, exploded views, etc.  Draw them up and print them out.

Decals -- send art out to a commercial shop.  Verify and put into production.

Package - Box it up.  Bubble wrap & foam peanuts for the hull.  Small parts in a box or ziplock bag.  PE, decals, brass wire, instructions.

Price it a a point which covers your costs.  

This is all done by one or two guys in their basement (I've been in Jon Warneke's basement - masters, RTV, and small parts everywhere!)

How come a resin kit costs so much .... ? 

 

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Posted by Dreadnought52 on Saturday, August 25, 2007 8:47 AM
 stretchie wrote:

Thanks for the info. I'll stop by there and put a bug in their ear. Smile [:)]

 

It makes me wonder what all goes into the process of developing a model kit.



Well, I suppose like anything else the success of similar products. I have purchased every one of the ISW early USN BBs because that's what I am interested in. I can only hope that ISW is encouraged to continue bringing out more of them. I have made it clear to them that I would like them to make all the rest of the USN BB classes! If more people contact them to do so then I'm sure they will start the process. I have been waiting for a USS Florida ,especially in the 1930 fit. NavSource has a great photo of the Florida transiting the Kiel Canal in 1930. That's the photo you see in the corner of my messages. WS
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Posted by stretchie on Saturday, August 25, 2007 1:08 AM

Thanks for the info. I'll stop by there and put a bug in their ear. Smile [:)]

 

It makes me wonder what all goes into the process of developing a model kit.

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    December 2002
Posted by Dreadnought52 on Friday, August 24, 2007 1:07 PM
 stretchie wrote:

Has anyone made a model of these?? I would like to get a 1/350 model of one, specifically the North Dakota.

 

While on vacation, I stopped by the ND Heritage Center and took a bunch of pics, however, upon putting them on the computer, they didn't turn out too good. (had to take the pics through the glass and lots of reflections)

Anyway....I did a bit of searching and it seems no one has made a replica of these ships. Anyone have any secret knowledge of their existance????? Smile [:)]

 

thanks.... 



At the present time the closest you will get to a Delaware class is the Iron Shipwright 1/350 Michigan. But, that's not really close. ISW has been expanding their offerings of earlier USN battleships and may be planning to offer this class in the future, you may want to contact them. Go to the website at www.commanderseries.com and take a look at what they offer now for the best selection of USN pre-WW2 and WW2 BBs. You can get Maine, Texas, Iowa, Kearsarge, Illinois, Ohio and New Jersey (the pre-dreadnought, not the WW2 ship as well as the 1918 Michigan from ISW in their older ship selection.
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Delaware class battleship
Posted by stretchie on Friday, August 24, 2007 12:47 PM

Has anyone made a model of these?? I would like to get a 1/350 model of one, specifically the North Dakota.

 

While on vacation, I stopped by the ND Heritage Center and took a bunch of pics, however, upon putting them on the computer, they didn't turn out too good. (had to take the pics through the glass and lots of reflections)

Anyway....I did a bit of searching and it seems no one has made a replica of these ships. Anyone have any secret knowledge of their existance????? Smile [:)]

 

thanks.... 

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