Big jake/B.le.Cren.Snagged 2 good books.

You think I can get a copy through Amazon??????

Thanks Jim ...
The shipwreck book is the one by Terence Grocott, right?
If so, it is available from Chapters/Indigo here in Canada for $C43, so you got a good deal indeed.

I am beginning research on a vessel called "HMS Admiral Gardiner" with a view to building her. She was launched in 1796 and sank in a storm off the English coast in 1809. If you don't mind, can you tell me how much information is in the book on this particular ship before I lay out the loot? (is there just a paragraph, or a page, also are other sources listed?)
Please & thanks.
Also, is the Agamemnon book the Anatomy of the Ship one?

PS:
A while ago you mentioned something about roller blind adhesive and having a hard time getting it over there. I can look here if you like ...

regards,
Bruce

Not the Anatomy book but her life story basically,from construction at Bucklers Hard to destruction and subsequent enquiry. It is by Anthony Deane and the same publisher as the shipwreck book,Caxton Editions. ww.caxtonpublishing.com She was the third of a series of seven by Thomas Slade of which Ardent was first. Yes,the other book is by Mr Grocott. The reports are all contempory taken from the newspapers and the Annual Register of Ships.
" 24 January..Admiral Gardner and Brittania,East Indiaman...Whilst shipwrecked mariners were being interred at St Keverne yet others were losing their lives at the Downs."The effects of the gales this Tuesday were severely felt on the coasts of Britain.great apprehensions were felt for the East Indiamen proceeding through the downs;yet nothing was known of their situation till the morning,when a most distressing sight presented itself to the spectators from Deal. three Large ships were seen on the Goodwin Sands with only their foremasts standing,hoisting signals of distress,and the sea dashing over them mountains high. the crews were all collected on the poops waiting for that relief which the deal boatmen seemed anxious to aford them. These men by their indefatigable exertions and at the imminent hazard to their lives ,reached the wrecks of the Indiamen and took out of the Admiral Gardner the whole of her crew. "The boatmen from Ramsgate and Broadstairs joined those from Deal and removed into their boats the people from the Brittania,previous to which this ship had lost of her crew three lascars and twenty four seamen and one died in the boats from fatigue.of the Admiral Gardner,four were lost;for in the night one of the seamen being washed overboard the third mate and three seamen volunteered to pick him up in the ships boat which was never aheard from again.

The Admiral gardner was the first vessel driven up on to the sands and as soon as the pilot of the Britannia found that that ship shoaled her water he let go one anchor. and after that two more.but such was the violence of the gale that she aws driven onto the sands with three anchors ahead.Vice Admiral campbell at daylight sent two gunbrigs,a lugger and a cutter to anchor as near as possible to render the sufferers every aid in their power. It was expected that if the weather moderated , a part of the cargoes might be saved. The estimated loss was 200,000 pounds. ( taken from) NC vol 21 pp 65-66 NC= Naval Chronicles.
As always for reference material Greenwich Maritime Museum is No 1..
Not much help with the ship but a good story. There are 1500 more of them.!!!!

Jim:
Thanks very much for the outstanding information. If there is ever a chance we get together then beers on me!
I am in contact with the NMM on another project and will be talking to them about Gardiner plans as well, but they are very expensive in $C.
I have wanted to do another square rigged ship for a while, but one kind of out of the norm (not another Victory; apologies to those modelling that ship).
Another hobby of mine is coin collecting, and my brother-in-law gave me a shipwreck coin from the Gardiner last year for Christmas. That is the connection that got me started on that ship.
The ship was carrying a cargo of coins to pay workers in India, and a large part of the wreck has been salvaged from what I understand.
Regards,
Bruce

Jim:
It pays to research.
After your reply, and checking some web sites, I discovered that I have been spelling the name wrong. The error was in the packaging of the ship's coin that I got as a present. Gardner is correct.
I also discovered that the ship is not HMS, as I originally thought, but belonged to the East India Company.
One web site I visited, a museum of all places, had the dates wrong by about 100 years as well.
Not quite Warsw Wierdness, but neat stuff that one uncovers.
Bruce