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Early pivot guns
Posted by jrb53 on Tuesday, February 19, 2008 7:41 PM

Were pivot guns employed on any sailing vessels during the American Revolution?   Disregard lightweight swivel guns, only centerline mounted heavy weapons please.

 The earliest documented pivot gun I have found was on the brig Oneida (1808) built on Lake Ontario.  Google, CG Davis, H.Capelle, and these forums so far have not yielded any earlier reference.  Fredrik Chapman is famous for his light gunboat with a removable infantry cannon, but I'm assuming this mounting was not a true pivot gun.  Is the pivot gun a little-documented European or Arab invention?

Thank you for your time and attention,

Jack

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Posted by jrb53 on Monday, March 10, 2008 8:33 PM

OK, it's a tough question, I agree. Sad [:(]

 But I did find this small glimmer of hope, http://www.jotika-ltd.com/Pages/1024768/Nelson_14.htm

Notice the obvious patent infringement of the ball-bearing principle just recently patented by Englishman (actually Welshman) Phillip Vaughn in 1794.  Hopefully, Leonardo da Vinci forgives, or even admires, the end result.

Again, I apologise for such a difficult question.

Jack

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  • From: Biloxi, Mississippi
Posted by Russ39 on Monday, March 10, 2008 8:50 PM

Jack:

I do not know for sure who invented the pivot gun, but the earliest example I have seen is Oneida. I have never seen a deck mounted pivot gun rigged on a Revolutionary War vessel. Certainly none of them American ships that have been documented had them.

They were quite prevalent in US built privateers and revenue cutters in the early 19th century, primarily in the War of 1812 and afterwards. Aside from that, I have not seen them used any earlier.  

In The History of the American Sailing Ships, Chapelle shows and 1830 era mount for a pivot gun on US Navy ships. It is for a sliding carriage mounted gun.

Russ 

 

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