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Hunting the Cutty Sark - Revell / Trumpeter / Imai / Aoshima / etc. !!!

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  • Member since
    February 2006
  • From: Boston
Posted by Wilbur Wright on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 4:17 PM

Hello Gentleman,  That Cutty Sark kit is the exact type (1974 molds) that I bought off ebay not long ago, delivered to my door for $40. including shipping a rather large box. The decal sheet seems in good condition. As I do with all models I put on the shelf before I get to them, I placed the decals in a good acid-free sheet protector to save and or prevent any further potential damage. They look sound.

The thread from the kit was rolled in balls. One black, and one a rather pale green. I built the hull and deck yet can't see rigging it until I have a display case to protect it, so its back in the box. The supplied deadeye/lanyard parts are ghastly out of scale, as anyone that has seen the kit knows. I guess Blue jacket has some options however I have no experience in that area of modeling. The ones from the CSS Alabama aren't half as bad looking.

 

I have been stymied in trying to get my CSS Alabama photos to appear in a posting. I don't know if its my browser or what, but I have tried several times and given up. I would love for all of you to see it. 

I'm going to begin the Revell VIIC with the 3 CMK interiors very soon. All research and parts are on the bench. Just finished a six month stint on the great Trumpeter BR-52. 

 

 

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  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Sunday, May 11, 2008 3:12 AM

I think Bondoman has identified the problem - and the possible solutions - correctly.  The problem is exacerbated in the case of this particular decal sheet, because most of it is printed in gold ink of some sort.  I've never tried it, but I suspect that color would be difficult, if not impossible, for an inkjet printer to reproduce.

That kit was in the Revell Germany (or, as it now seems to be calling itself, Revell Europe) web catalog until quite recently; for that matter it wasn't so long ago that Revell of the USA (formerly known as Revell Monogram; the "Monogram" name seems to have disappeared from the website recently) was selling it.  I wonder if one or both companies might be able/willing to supply replacement decals.  I assume any 1/96 Cutty Sark decal sheet would be compatible with any 1/96 Cutty Sark kit.

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  • From: Carmel, CA
Posted by bondoman on Sunday, May 11, 2008 2:48 AM

In general, decal decay is primarily caused by acid in the paper attacking the clear and colored media that are the decal. This causes yellowing. That is easily remedied by exposure to sunlight; a few weeks taped up in a south facing dry window will solve it wonderfully.

The other, harder problem is when a thin carrier film was used, which will break up when disolved. It's always a good idea to test a peice you can live without, like the kit id label, of the decal before plopping the name across the stern into your little saucer of water.

This shattering is a much more difficult thing to cure. One school of thought is to overcoat the decals with a new carrier layer, either Future furniture polish of one of the decal makers "decal films". This is hit or miss.

I build mostly oldie aircraft kits, so I deal with this a lot. One saving factor is that its easy to find aftermarket options.

It is always a good idea to scan an old sheet before messing with it. Then you can attempt to amke your own before all is lost.

  • Member since
    May 2003
  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Sunday, May 11, 2008 2:23 AM

For what it's worth, a few minutes of surfing turned up this specimen of the old Revell 1/96 kit:  http://www.oldmodelkits.com/index.php?detail=8894&cat=Civil%20Ship&manu=Revell

According to Dr. Graham's book, Remembering Revell Model Kits, the kit was in the Revell catalog under that number, H-399, from 1974 through 1980.  (I don't know just how Revell's numbering system works; I suppose it's possible that this particular kit was molded later.  Dr. Graham's coverage stops in 1980.  He also restricts his coverage to Revell of the U.S.; I don't know to what extent Revell Germany used the same kit numbers.  I suppose it's entirely possible that this is a Revell Germany kit - and heaven only knows where it was actually molded.) 

Dr. Graham estimates the value of H-399 on the collector's market as $30-40.  Things unfortunately have changed quite a bit in that regard - even since the revised edition of the book was published in 2004.  My recollection is that the most recent versions of the kit were selling in the hobby shops for $70 or more.  My olde-fashioned brain has trouble comprehending the notion that any plastic kit could be worth $100, but I suspect this price is fairly typical (and, let it be noted, lower than that of a new Imai/Aoshima kit).

The big question mark in my mind regarding a kit like this would concern the decal sheet.  The aging process for decals seems to be unpredictable - probably varying according to the atmospheric conditions in which the box has been kept.  (Maybe the presence or absence of shrink-wrapping on the box, or a sealed bag for the decals, has some effect too; I don't know.)  An unusable decal sheet would create a significant problem in this kit.  On the other hand, there are various tricks for rejuvenating old decals if they haven't deteriorated too much.

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  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Saturday, May 10, 2008 5:49 PM

The Revell 1/96-scale kit was originally issued in 1959, and represented the state of the art at that time.  In many ways it's never been surpassed.  In other ways it has.  For producing a sheerly impressive, big model of a clipper ship, there's nothing in the plastic model industry that can compete with it.  But some of the detail parts aren't up to modern standard, and everybody who's ever built it has had to wrestle with one big joint problem:  the joints between the forward, middle, and after sections of the maindeck.

The molds do indeed seem to have deteriorated a bit in recent years - and quality control, at both Revell-Monogram (U.S.) and Revell Germany, isn't what it used to be.  I haven't built the kit in many years, but I've read complaints recently about untoward amounts of flash, warpage, and low-quality styrene.  The instructions (especially the rigging instructions) have also been "dumbed down" in recent issues.

On the other hand, if you get hold of a ten- or twenty-year-old (or older) kit, you may have trouble with the decals.  And the decals in this particular kit are rather important, in that they represent the carved detail on the bow and stern.

The Imai kit is a beauty.  It's now being sold by Aoshima; I haven't seen one in an Aoshima box, but I imagine the parts are identical.  This kit is considerably smaller, but in many ways it's better detailed.  The seams between the hull and deck planks are countersunk, the representation of the paneling on the deckhouses is better, and most of the deck fittings have a little more finesse.  And the maindeck is in one piece.

The Imai/Aoshima kit quite obviously is based on the excellent set of plans drawn by George Campbell.  (Those plans, incidentally, are among the biggest bargains in ship modeling; they're available by mail from the ship's gift shop - which seems to be functioning at the moment despite the big restoration project that's currently in progress:  http://www.cuttysark.org.uk/index.cfm?fa=contentShop.productDetails&productId=40&startrow=1&directoryId=6 ) . Mr. Campbell was the naval architect in charge of the ship's reconstruction back in the late 1950s. 

The Imai designers seem to have followed those drawings with remarkable care.  Unfortunately the kit does contain a couple of amusing mistakes that pretty clearly can be attributed to the designers' unfamiliarity with the subject - and with the English language.  We've discussed those errors, which involve the two big cargo winches and the "booby hatch" aft of the mainmast, in a couple of other Forum threads, including this one:  /forums/795293/ShowPost.aspx .  That particular point comes up in about the tenth post of that thread.

If I were thinking about building a Cutty Sark (heaven forbid), I'd probably start with the Imai/Aoshima kit.  It's currently available through Sqadron Mail Order:  http://www.squadron.com/SearchResults.asp?offset=0 .  The price takes my breath away (I remember when the big Revell one cost $10.00), but there are many hours of modeling in that box. 

The big Revell kit, though, certainly has the potential to be turned into a fine scale model.  It apparently isn't in the catalog of either Revell of the U.S. or Revell Europe at the moment; I do hope it comes back.  It's one of those classic kits that should never be allowed to disappear from the scene.

Also on that Squadron search page is another good representation of the ship:  the old Airfix one.  It also has been around for quite a few years.  Bearing in mind the limitations of the scale (which I suspect is somewhat smaller than the 1/130 claimed in the ad), it's remarkably well detailed and accurate.  (The deckhouse paneling, as I remember, is actually rendered better than it is in the big Revell kit - and so far as I know it's the only plastic Cutty Sark that represents all the bow and stern carving in three dimensions, rather than with decals.)  And by current standards it's downright cheap.  Certainly worth serious consideration, especially by those with limited space for displaying completed models.

Hope that helps a little.  Good luck.

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  • From: Portsmouth, RI
Posted by searat12 on Saturday, May 10, 2008 11:35 AM
Yup, from all I have heard, the Revell 1/96 scale version appears to be the best detailed (though I have heard very good things about the Imai kit too).  One thing though, you might want to look for an older edition of this kit (they often pop up on Ebay), as it is my feeling that the molds were in better shape 30 years ago than they are now (crisper moldings), but I may very well be wrong.......
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  • From: Netherlands
Posted by Grem56 on Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:08 AM

I bought a reissue of the Revell 1/96th Cutty Sark from Great Models in the US of A. Check out the review of the model I did when it arrived (haven't got around to building it yet though Big Smile [:D])

Cheers,Julian

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Hunting the Cutty Sark - Revell / Trumpeter / Imai / Aoshima / etc. !!!
Posted by saddle tramp on Saturday, May 10, 2008 9:19 AM

As a newbie, it appears  that amassing a collection of the next kits to build must be done now while quality kits are still accessible. Perhaps most will cease being reissued and new issues will prove scarce as hens' teeth.  As a newbie, that is beyond my knowledge base.

Most masted, static models have fallen out of the favor they formerly held as they require much time sitting in one place researching and constructing as compared to easier static models or RC racing, computer games, sports, etc.  The sport of hunting quality masted model kits proves to be a sport in itself.

In this case which are the best larger Cutty Sark kits and who CURRENTLY markets them??  I have read threads and looked a while on ebay.  It is all very confusing as vendors change and scales listed are often listed incorrectly it seems.

Please anyone, your expertise and help would be appreciated.  Bill

Bill
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