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Shanties & Songs of the Sea
Posted by Big Jake on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 8:57 PM

How many of you folks have and listen sea songs/shanties.  The best ones I have are sung by the "X Seamen" they put out an album of regular songs that are well know and then they put out a Album of salty and x-rated songs some of which are down right wild.

I converted the older cass. tapes I had to CD but does any body have a source for a new CD copy? I'd like to get some new copies.

Jake

  

 

 

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Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:17 AM

This is something that interests me, as a matter of fact; one of my other, relatively harmless hobbies is music. 

Sea shanties are an interesting historical topic; they reveal a lot about the culture and behavior of seafaring people over the years.  In the past few decades scholars have studied them pretty thoroughly.  The problem, of course, is that the real things were seldom written down or published until recently; they were passed around from sailor to sailor and from generation to generation.  (I have no idea how many different verses of "What do we do with a drunken sailor" have been written down over the centuries, but I imagine they only represent a fraction of the total.)

There are quite a few recordings of sea shanties on the market, ranging widely in quality and style.  Musicians wanting to record them have several options.  An "authentic" recording of a sea shanty isn't necessarily the most pleasant thing to listen to; the original "musicians," after all, were amateurs in every sense, and usually had no interest in what anybody other than themselves thought of their "performances."  (And the lyrics ranged from the silly and naive to the obscene.)  Several modern groups specialize in performing, and recording, shanties as they "actually sounded."  I'm glad those groups are out there, I enthusiastically support what they're trying to do, and I always take the opportunity to listen to their performances.  But I have to confess that I don't take much pleasure in listening to their recordings repeatedly. 

On the other hand, one of my all-time favorite recordings is the famous one by "The Men of the Robert Shaw Chorale," from 1960:  http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?WRK=3103240 .  I bought it on LP about thirty years ago and wore out the vinyl; later I got the cassette tape version and kept it in the car.  The CD version now lives in my workshop.  These performances have nothing to do with what sea shanties sounded like when sung by sailors on board a ship.  The songs have been gussied up with modern, four-part arrangements, and the Robert Shaw Chorale was one of the finest choral groups ever; there's just no way any ship's forecastle ever produced a sound like Shaw's tenor section.  By the standards of authentic performance practice, this recording is a joke.  It's also one of my favorites - and apparently lots of other people like it too.  That link contains some sound bites; take a listen and I think you'll see why the recording is so popular.

For anybody wanting to take the plunge and try some "classical" music that has to do with the sea, I can suggest the following as good starters:

Claude Debussy, "La Mer"

Richard Wagner, Overture to "The Flying Dutchman"

Arnold Bax, "Tintagel"

Ralph Vaughn Williams, "A Sea Symphony" (No. 1 in C major) and "Fantasy on British Sea Songs"

Benjamin Britten, "Four Sea Interludes from Peter Grimes"

Maurice Ravel, "Un Barque sur L'Ocean"

And, of course, any discussion of this subject has to include the score by Richard Rodgers and Robert Russell Bennett for the TV series "Victory at Sea."  The stereo studio recordings of some of the music are available on CD:  http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?WRK=152216 and http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?WRK=149683 , and of course the whole series has been released a number of times on DVD.  The DVD version I have is a perfectly satisfactory one that I picked up at Wal-Mart.  It's packaged in four "volumes" of one DVD each, which Wal-Mart was selling at the time for (drum roll, please) a dollar apiece.  Again, those Barnes and Noble links include sound bites.  They also include a couple of snotty reviews by a critic who ought to be strung up by his - well, never mind.  Whatever else may be said about it, it's great music to build ship models by.

 

 

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Posted by kapudan_emir_effendi on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:50 AM
Big Jake opened a topic also really close to my heart. Since my teenager years I'm amassing Celtic and other kinds of european folk music, the lion's share going to shanties. Professor Tilley told all the necessary factual knowledge about shanties, so I'd like to write rather my favourite ones Wink [;)] My preferred type of shanties are the so called "forecastle shanties" telling tales of great adventures, naval battles, pirates and admirals. I have a lot of french shanties too, they sing so well ! Smile [:)] My all time favourites which I regularly listen are Spanish Ladies, Shannon and Chesapeake (sung by the Robert Shaw Corale), Admiral Benbow, Le Corsaire Le Grand Coureur, Strike the Bell, Santiano, The Ballad of Captain Kidd and Ol' Thomas' Harponeers. Of course Ihave many many more other great Shanties in my archive Smile [:)]
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Posted by subfixer on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:17 AM
I always thought that "Barnacle Bill the Sailor" had a nice ring to it.

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Posted by searat12 on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:05 AM

Once upon a time there was a group in the DC area called 'The Irish Breakdown' that did some very nice sea-chanteys, and of course there is (was!) Stan Rogers as well.  I think you might still be able to get a an 'Irish Breakdown' record on Ebay, but they are very rare these days.....

 As a former member of the 'Old Gaffers Association' in the UK, I got very interested in a large number of chanteys, not just 'blue-water' types, but that involved the Thames Barges and other in-shore types too.  We had a great scratch band of musicians too!  One thing to note about sea-chanteys in general; they are meant to be sung, not really listened to!  It's a weird thing, but if you go into a waterfront pub in England and they are singing chanteys, you are expected to participate!  Even better if you have at least one 'party piece' of your own to contribute.  I got very used to this, and it was very enjoyable, but when I returned to the States, I was struck how many times I went to chantey evenings here and there, and everybody just stared slack-jawed at the band and didn't participate at all!  They expected to be 'entertained,' not realising that they themselves are the entertainment, not some clowns on a stage!

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Posted by sumpter250 on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:46 AM

I always thought that "Barnacle Bill the Sailor" had a nice ring to it.

  Yes......tarnished....., but a nice ring none the less.Wink [;)]
 

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Posted by telsono on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:44 PM

I lovethe old shanties as well. From my father's LP collection I was able to save one album after his death from the early 1950's. This is one album that I don't expect for find on CD. Its called "The Earth and the Sea" and has shanties and folk songs sung by Pete Seeger, Woodie Guthrie, Lee Hays and I believe Jack Elliot. There's a version of "Blow the man down" sung by Woody Guthrie that's great. I have been looking for someone with the equipment to copy LP's to CD so I can listen to these songs again. Other songs on the album include "Golden Vanity" sung by Pete Seeger and "Rio". The folk songs were great as well as it includes "House of the Rising Sun".

Mike T.

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Posted by Big Jake on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:50 PM

Hi John,

I have both of the CD's you posted.  I find the Robert Shaw Choral a bit long winded in the "togetherness" but the VAS is very good.  Turn out the lights, slip on a set of headphones and let fly.   I found this CD last year and added it to my collection.

http://www.amazon.com/Rogues-Gallery-Pirate-Ballads-Chanteys/dp/samples/B000GGSMD0/ref=dp_tracks_all_1#disc_1

Of course there is always the "Last Farewell", not a true chantie but fits the songs right nicely

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WsbvE-Ezwg0&feature=related

Amazon list

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=sea+songs&x=17&y=21

I found these on youtube.  Type in the search bar ( sea shanties) (sea songs) and any titles you know of  and the songs will pop up.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=13mZfERKHN4

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YvBHdw-EqLM&feature=related

One song that most folks do not associate with Sea Chanties is the song Shenandoah.  I always thougt it a Civil War Song, but it's more a ballard for the water.

Jake

 

 

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Posted by gregbale on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:45 PM

My favorite by far has always been The Starboard List : their double album collection "Songs of the Tall Ships/Cruising 'Round Yarmouth" is still available on CD.

Paul Clayton was a scholar of old sea shanties as well as a performer in a more traditional vein. Great versions of many including "Admiral Benbow," "Boney Was A Warrior" and the all-time favorite "Maid of Amsterdam."

Greg 

 

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Posted by knabria on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:59 PM

I'd also recommend all of the Forebitter CDs:

American Sea Chanteys

Unmooring

Link of Chain

Voyages 

http://www.woodenshipsmusic.com/htdocs/at007.html

Mystic Seaport Online Store selection of Sea Chanteys:

http://www.mysticseaport.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=shop.home&storeNavigationID=34D3863C-B0D0-D05E-1AA8D78ED563B40C

Also if you live close enough to Mystic Seaport, the 29th Annual Sea Music Festival will be held on June 13-15, 2008.

http://www.mysticseaport.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.viewpage&page_id=C9BE0FCF-D86E-382C-FA65352B6393646D

 

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Posted by Big Jake on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:11 PM

ah Maid of Amsterdam, one of my favorites.... esp. the risky version.

 

 

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Posted by glweeks on Saturday, May 24, 2008 11:12 PM

AAAarrggg....Pirate [oX)]  Barnicle Bill it be. or how bout "Hi ho, hi ho, it's off to the berlisque show"?  It's good to ye old navy mates remember yer bar room culture......why I remember over at cubi point one night...........Taped Shut [XX] 

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Posted by subfixer on Sunday, May 25, 2008 4:43 AM
 glweeks wrote:

AAAarrggg....Pirate [oX)]  Barnicle Bill it be. or how bout "Hi ho, hi ho, it's off to the berlisque show"?  It's good to ye old navy mates remember yer bar room culture......why I remember over at cubi point one night...........Taped Shut [XX] 

        G.L.

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Posted by BigJim on Sunday, May 25, 2008 6:39 AM

And for some live music...

One of my best memories was when my son graduated from boot camp at Great Lakes. We were sitting in the stands across from the barracks when the new seamen (?) came out from across the road singing "Anchors Aweigh". It was an absolutely beautiful sound!

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Posted by Big Jake on Wednesday, June 4, 2008 7:10 PM

I found this version of Shenandoah by Tennesee Erney Ford Clear and A great backgound

 http://youtube.com/watch?v=khxx3sCVhtE

 

 

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Posted by subfixer on Friday, June 6, 2008 7:52 AM
 BigJim wrote:

And for some live music...

One of my best memories was when my son graduated from boot camp at Great Lakes. We were sitting in the stands across from the barracks when the new seamen (?) came out from across the road singing "Anchors Aweigh". It was an absolutely beautiful sound!

When in Navy bootcamp (San Diego, 1972), we were experiencing the gas chamber's particular charms; concentrated tear gas in an enclosed space with 60 or so raw recruits jammed together. Everything was fine (we were wearing our gas masks) until the instructor ordered us to remove our masks and sing "his favorite song" which happened to be Anchors Aweigh. Nobody knew the lyrics to that song (it's an officer's song for crying out loud!) and the instuctor wasn't going to let us out of the chamber until we sang it. Enough of us knew the melody so we kinda mumbled our way through it after much haranging and were finally released to fresh air and water hoses. I've hated that song ever since.

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Posted by warshipguy on Friday, June 6, 2008 12:13 PM

As a career submariner, the most interesting collection of nautical songs to me was an album called "Big, Black Submarine" by Tommy Cox, himself a retired Chief Torpedoman (SS). Of course, given that all of the songs were about submarines not targets, I am somewhat biased.

Bill Morrison

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