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USS Hornet B-25 deck spots
Posted by markgloper on Saturday, May 31, 2008 1:39 PM

I am looking for a diagram of where specific (by plane serial number) B-25's were located on the USS Hornet's deck shortly after loading.  I want to build my USS Hornet with the hanger deck doors open.  Showing the B-25's as they were preparing for takeoff with the doors open would be inappropriate.  I have seen pictures in "United States Fleet Carriers of World War II" by R. Humble (pp 44-46) which leads me to believe the B-25's were moved during their transit.

Thanks for any assistance you can provide. 

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, May 31, 2008 2:09 PM
Most photos of the Doolittle/Hornet show the B-25s were tied down on  the entire flight deck for transit across the Pacific then moved to  the aft end for launch. If you can find out what order they were launched in, then you can reverse order it for spotting them on the deck. There is an Air Force Base outside Sacremento, Ca that had the full raid information of each aircraft and crew in the museum. I was there in 97 and believe it was McClellan AFB but can not remember the name for certain.

 

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Posted by Mick on Saturday, May 31, 2008 7:17 PM

The museum you are thinking of is the Doolittle Memorial Museum at Travis AFB, between Sacramento and Frisco. They have numerous exhibits dedicated to the Doolittle Raiders, and I'm confident I saw crew photos which included plane numbers and order of takeoff. Don't know if any of this is on the museum's website.

You are correct: the B-25's were moved about the deck prior to launch, and I've seen photos of Hornet's flight deck showing several F4F's tied down right at the bow, just ahead of a forward crash barrier, with a B-25 just behind the barrier. I also recall seeing a photo showing an SBD aft of the island at the starboard deck edge, among the b-25's. Flat top plane handlers have always been a hard-worked lot!

Not sure, but I think I saw those images on the official USN/Hornet webpage commemorating the Doolittle raid. HTH

 

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Posted by bondoman on Sunday, June 1, 2008 1:00 AM

I've seen a photo, perhaps in "Men Ships and the Sea" that indicates the a/c had tarps over the engines and the front glass areas. I'll try to dig it out, but here's the idea.

There's a pretty complicated tiedown arrangement, too.

Nice project!

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Posted by dnatech on Sunday, June 1, 2008 6:22 PM

The book 30 Seconds over Tokyo shows a couple of photos of the flight deck in transit. All the planes ont he rear of the deck were the B-25's. He lists the order of takeoff in the book if I remember correctly. I think he also mentions that the TBD's and SBD's were stowed below since they could not land them if them did manage to take off. There are two nice photos of the B-25's tied down on the deck prior to launch.

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Posted by EdGrune on Monday, June 2, 2008 6:43 AM

See the US Naval Historical Center's page on the Doolittle Raid.   There is included a good series of photos which show the layout of the aircraft in-transit.

http://history.navy.mil/photos/events/wwii-pac/misc-42/doolt-a.htm

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Posted by mfsob on Monday, June 2, 2008 2:26 PM

Oh I dunno, I don't think that tie down pattern is that complicated. We all know how much swabbies loveeeeeeeeeeeeeeee to tie knots, and lash down anything even remotely moveable so thoroughly that you could turn the ship upside down and shake it and nothing would come out *grins*

 

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Posted by Steve Larsen on Tuesday, June 3, 2008 8:25 AM

Here's a link to a good forum about Hornet that contains some photos that will be very helpful. 

http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=4866&p=217630#p217630

A few very interesting things to note in photos:

1. two SBDs parked among the B-25 Mitchells

2. a smaller aircraft parked on the port side aft (it may be another SBD). You can make out the rudder stripes which are barely visible under the engine of the aft-most port side B-25.

3. the proximity of the escort

4. look at the B-25 wingtip visible in the bottom right of the photo. It appears to have war games crosses somewhat painted out.

5. None of the B-25 propellers have yellow tips.

6. Some B-25s have their dorsal turrets covered, others do not.

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Posted by mfsob on Tuesday, June 3, 2008 6:14 PM
None of the Doolittle Raid B-25s had props with yellow tips, because the Navy rebalanced and refinished all the blades prior to takeoff and they ended up with a basic black finish. Just one of those little details that has tripped a lot of modelers (and painters) up over the years.
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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, June 3, 2008 6:36 PM
I noticed as you go through these photos that sometimes some of the props are removed.
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Posted by markgloper on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:13 PM

Should have sent this sooner.

Thanks for your assistance with my question. 

 

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Posted by markgloper on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:15 PM
Thank you for your assistance with my search.
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Posted by markgloper on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:16 PM
Thank you for your assistance with my question.
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Posted by markgloper on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:17 PM
Thank you for your assistance with my question
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Posted by markgloper on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:18 PM
Thank you for your assistance with my question.  The sight was very helpful.
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Posted by markgloper on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:24 PM

Thank you for your assistance with my question.

I noticed those SBD's to the starboard of the B-25's aft of the superstructure.

That really gave me pause.

Guess we'll never know what that aircraft spotting routine was all about. 

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