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SMS Konig: blast bags, or no blast bags?

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SMS Konig: blast bags, or no blast bags?
Posted by Irish3335 on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:11 PM

Hi all,

been getting ready for my W.E. brass barrels for my Konig, and was trying to reasearch as to whether or not the ship had blast bags for the main guns...anyone know the difinitive answer?  Thanks for your help!

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Posted by searat12 on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:41 AM
Of all the photos of German dreadnoughts I have seen, none of them have ever shown blast bags on the turrets......
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Posted by EdGrune on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:10 AM

 searat12 wrote:
Of all the photos of German dreadnoughts I have seen, none of them have ever shown blast bags on the turrets......

from the Dreadnought Project ... SMS Preussen -- pre WWI

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:37 AM

Not to go o/t, but the questions seems to have been answered at least as far as the Preussen is concerned, but what's that thingy on the face of the bridge?

Boy the adage about a picture is worth... goes here. There's such a wealth of detail in the shot, like the shadow  of the draped chain guardrails.

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Posted by EdGrune on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:54 AM
 bondoman wrote:

Not to go o/t, but the questions seems to have been answered at least as far as the Preussen is concerned, but what's that thingy on the face of the bridge?

It is a form of Indentification Friend or Foe marker.  

With the cable running to it, it looks to be run by that new fangled electricity stuff [think it will ever catch on?]  

For night action -- don't shoot at the guy with the circle (or vertical bar, or horizontal bar, or semicircle ...).   Elsewhere on the Dreadnought Project's site there are pictures of German TBs with similar devices on their masts

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Posted by searat12 on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:04 PM

What about this then?

Or this?

Or this?

But then again, here is this one!

WNGER_12-50_skc12_Koenig_pic.jpg

And this one too!

Basically, it appears that sometimes they had blast bags, and sometimes they didn't.  Or rather, it appears that the blast bags used may be somewhat different from what we are used to, and are more like a temporary and quick-releasing sleeve that comes off when the gun is actually firing (i.e., is not intended to flex with the gun if elevation is changed, and only fits when the gun is in the 'stowed' condition).  Here is a closer view, so you can see what I mean, note the quick-release clamps....

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:49 PM
More great pictures. I'm feelin' the need for a LHS run...
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Posted by reklein on Thursday, June 12, 2008 8:45 AM

It seems to me the forward guns had to have something to keep a heavy sea from swamping out the mount. Nothing like saltwater in your big guns to ruin your day. They may not have always been shipped when the photos weree taken,specially when the ship was in port.

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Posted by searat12 on Thursday, June 12, 2008 11:11 AM

True.  That is why the Germans had the quick-release sleeve/spacers shown in the photos above.  When in combat, the ship slows down enough to keep the big guns free of water over the foredeck, and if the seas are so rough that waves wash over the foredeck anyways, then combat is simply not joined.  Even with the blast bags used later, if sea water is sweeping over the foredeck and hitting the turrets, those big guns are unlikely to be firing at anything except in the most extreme emergency (the range finders get coated with salt water and thus ineffective, and the ship is moving up and down so much it becomes difficult to 'time' the shooting for targetting purposes anyways).  Also, 'battle speed' for these ships was around 16-18 Kts, and flank speed was only 20-22 Kts at best, so it was not that big an issue in any case.  Finally, cordite smoke within the turret during battle is at least as much a problem as a bit of seawater, and by leaving the gunport uncovered during battle, wind generated by the forward motion of the ship will help a lot in ventilation.  As far as the big guns getting wet, it is important to remember that earlier battleships, particularly in the British Navy, but others as well often had main guns with no turrets at all ('open barbette' mounts), and the guns were pretty much completely exposed to the elements (and shellfire), as seen here:

And here you can see the problem......:

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