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DDG 1000 Zumwalt-class destroyer
Posted by Dmod on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:03 PM

I've done some brief searches and I am wondering if anyone has seen a model for the DDG 1000 Zumalt-class destroyer?  I'd love to build one.  A very interesting design, but at $3.3 billion per, it could be awhile until we see the real thing.  Thanks.

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/dd21/index.html#dd213 

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Posted by bertman on Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:49 PM
An old co-worker of mine worked on the NGC one, and she seemed to give the impression that a lot of work was already done on it. It'll be delivered in 2013, but I think you'll see 'em well before that--at least in prototype.

They have really flat and chiseled lines, so they should be easy to scratch build.
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Posted by subfixer on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 5:53 AM

There is a rumor going around here that the class is going to be cancelled except for the first two ships. Keep an eye out for a new class of nuclear powered cruisers to come out. Fuel cost is a key issue now.

Here is a chart that compares the initial costs and projected operating costs of different fossil fuel types as compared to nuclear power. The initial higher cost of a nuclear powered ship is offset by its flatline operating cost over a period of time and the rise of fossil fuel costs per barrel (bbl).

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Posted by EdGrune on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 9:53 AM

You could always scratchbuild one, like Bruce Culver did for the IPMS-NCT's award winning 2002 National's Group Build Entry

http://smmlonline.com/members/shows/ipms_usa_nats2002/usnddcentury.html

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Posted by sumpter250 on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 4:52 PM

  I always knew that destroyers were "part submarine", but now they even "look" like one!!!!

  In the "Cost Table", has the "recycle cost" of the nuclear reactor been figured in?? I was there, in the days of Enterprise,Long Beach, Bainbridge,......Savanna (sp?), I have no doubts about the safety, and effectiveness of nuclear powered vessels. The only reason a ship has to return to port, now, is to make little sailors???........actually, I guess even that can be done underway, these days. THAT, would give a whole new meaning to the term "Plank Owner". 

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Posted by subfixer on Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:28 AM
All ya gotta do to decommission a ship's reactor is to cut off all of the piping and cables from the outside of the reactor compartment (the actual space that contains the reactor, pressurizer, coolant pumps, and steam generators), remove the fuel rods from the reactor core, dig a big enough hole in the ground to take said reactor compartment, and then kick dirt over the top. It's not that complicated and cheaper than you might think. Navy nuclear systems are much more efficient and cleaner than commercial nuclear power plants by a very large margin. And that is the truth! Rickover was fanatical about this.

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Posted by RTimmer on Thursday, July 31, 2008 11:03 AM

Hi Ed,

Do you know if there are at least diagrams with dimensions available to scratchbuild from?

This is an interesting concept, and every time I see it, I think "back to the future" as these are reminiscent (to my eye) of ironclads.

Thanks, Rick 

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Posted by EdGrune on Thursday, July 31, 2008 11:19 AM

IIRC, Bruce took the artist's concept paintings along with design dimension data and sort of free-handed the model from block of wood.    At the time Bruce was a technical writer for a major defense contractor (he's now retired).  He may have had access to information which was not widely diseminated.

The theme of that group entry was 100 years of US Navy destroyers.  We went from 1902's DD-1 Bainbridge to the proposed Zumwalt class.    We had almost every destroyer class covered.   We scratchbuilt or converted kits where there were no commercial kits available.  

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Posted by Tracy White on Friday, August 1, 2008 1:42 AM

Pick up any civil war casemate ironclad as a starting point! Clown [:o)]
 

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Posted by sumpter250 on Saturday, August 2, 2008 12:25 PM

Navy nuclear systems are much more efficient and cleaner than commercial nuclear power plants by a very large margin. And that is the truth! Rickover was fanatical about this.

I've heard stories about Hymie's fanaticism. There's no denying that our nuclear navy is the safest, and most efficient, because of his not yielding one bit in his demands. Technology, construction, and training all combined to produce the best of the best. 

I served during Elmo Zumwalt's tour as CNO. I still have respect for his attitude towards letting Navy Reg's, and not "Command Perogative", determine a number of changes that he made. Good to see a ship class is named for him, even better that it is a destroyer class. 

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Posted by jpk on Saturday, August 2, 2008 8:49 PM
The Zumwalt's been cancelled after three ships. Too expensive. They'll build more Arliegh Burke's instead.
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Posted by subfixer on Sunday, August 3, 2008 12:34 PM
I also served during Zumwaldt's reign and still wear the beard that he allowed us to grow in one of his many Z-Grams. Everybody liked him.

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Posted by sumpter250 on Sunday, August 3, 2008 2:05 PM

I also served during Zumwaldt's reign and still wear the beard that he allowed us to grow in one of his many Z-Grams

After 20 some years of trimming, and shaving around it, I got rid of mine...that was fifteen years ago! 

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Posted by sumpter250 on Sunday, August 3, 2008 2:09 PM

The Zumwalt's been cancelled after three ships. Too expensive. They'll build more Arliegh Burke's instead.

Now, is the time to find a non-petroleum based fuel for the Burke's. 

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Posted by subfixer on Sunday, August 3, 2008 6:36 PM
Like maybe, Uranium 235?? I'm all for that! It's funny, when you ask the local people in the Hampton Roads, Virginia area where the closest nuclear reactor is, they name the civilian nuclear power plant in Surry, Virginia which is about 50 miles away. Then when they are told that there are fifteen or twenty in the middle of Norfolk, they are taken completely surprised. You never hear a peep out of any of these reactors, they are absolutely top quality and run by the cream of the Navy's finest young men. All of you American tax payers should be very proud of them.

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Posted by mfsob on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 11:23 PM
That's not really a ship ... is it?
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Posted by subfixer on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 11:38 PM
Not yet, it isn't, but they are coming. (Ugly things, aren't they?)

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Posted by warshipguy on Thursday, August 7, 2008 1:10 PM

I really like the tone of this thread!  I remember Adm. Zumwalt and appreciate that a class of DD has been named after him.  However, I served in Rickover's submarine navy, never witnessing any problems with the reactor.  I believe firmly that it was a mistake to end the surface nuclear program except for the CV's.

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Posted by subfixer on Thursday, August 7, 2008 3:19 PM
There is very serious talk about bringing back CGNs. The old ones just didn't have adequate weapons sytems. I believe that it was easier (and cheaper)to scrap them (and their 1950s designed reactors) and build new ones from scratch.

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Posted by Gordon D. King on Friday, August 8, 2008 12:28 PM
One of my sons is an engineer. He is working on parts for this destroyer. He can't say what they are. The one news release he did send me stated this is supposed to be a stealth destroyer which shows up on radar as the size of a rowboat. He also told me that only two are supposed to be built.
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Posted by warshipguy on Friday, August 8, 2008 12:36 PM

Subfixer,

I agree with you about the technology of the original CGN's.  I just believe, however, that ending nuclear power for surface combatants was the wrong way to go.  Technologies, and weapons outfits, improve over time; witness the various SSN programs, especially within the SSN 688 class and its subflights.  Believe me, I in no way intended to imply that those particular CGN's should have remained in commission.

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Posted by subfixer on Friday, August 8, 2008 1:56 PM
Another thing about the old CGNs was that the reactor technology was really old. Maintenance was very difficult and relatively more expensive than later reactor systems. Plus each ship had two reactors apiece. The Enterprise is the last ship to use these dinosaurs and all of us who work on her will be glad when she is finally decommissioned. It will be sad to see her go, of course, but she can be a real headache at times.

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