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Original Grumman Aerospace Lunar Module
Posted by Astronaut Buck on Saturday, November 7, 2009 6:16 PM

I am trying to build a scratch model of the original Grumman Aerospace Corporation lunar module design.  This is the one that still looked like the front of a helicopter.  I was wondering if anyone had access to detailed photos or drawings of one of the models that were created early on.  The original model was spun wood and paperclips for the landing legs.

 Thanks everybody!

 Buck

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Posted by GoFlight on Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:35 PM

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Posted by Astronaut Buck on Thursday, December 10, 2009 7:20 PM

Yes, that is the one.  I had multiple conversations with Tom Kelly during the 1980s and never asked him about information on this particular version of the LM.  Now that he passed away, a lot of the information is not available.  I believe he willed his papers to MIT.  I saw the proposal model of this craft which was very interesting.  It was 2 lathed wood blocks with legs made from large paper clips.  Very cool.

Thank you for this lead.  I am trying to get to where I can figure out the dimensions and build a 1/32 or 1/48 scale replica.

 

Thanks again!!!

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Posted by williamarren on Monday, February 22, 2010 4:27 AM

Yeah, I too waiting for the same. Even I am also waiting with curious to see that pics,,,,

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Posted by dcaponeII on Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:27 PM

Keep in mind that there is an even earlier design mockup that was built using the bubble canopy from a Bell Helicopter.  I don't have the pics here at the college but if I can find it at home I'll post.  It really does look like the front of a helicopter.  The picture shown below was about midway through the preliminary design process if memory serves.

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Posted by Astronaut Buck on Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:29 PM

This is the one with the helicopter paradigm.  The version that came after this started to take on the final shape and remove the seating and replace the bubble front with the triangular windows.  As time progressed to the final version, Tom Kelly's team added a docking window above the commanders window and replaced more of the curves with flat panels and chemically etched a great deal of the metal to make it even lighter.  The aluminized mylar was then used for covering the outside.  It was a fabulous feat and retained the flat bottom to keep the LM from sinking into the lunar dust in the event it was deep.  Remember, the design concept was created before we had Surveyors on the surface.  Very cool indeed!

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Posted by broncosteven on Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:56 PM

Did you ever get Tom's book "Moon Lander"? P. 30 has a picture of the craft you are looking for with some vague descriptions of dimentions if I remember right it has been a couple years since I read it.

 

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Posted by Astronaut Buck on Friday, May 28, 2010 7:13 AM

I have the book.  I actually worked with him and that is part of the display I am making.  Problem is the photo is not adequate to get the dimensions.  I am now working with the Cradle of Aviation Museum who have a model in their inventory and trying to get permission to bring it out and do the measurements.  If I get this information, I will post them on here.  I am also trying to get information from the Grumman history center but you need to go there during the week and I have not been able to take a day off that worked with the people there.

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Posted by dcaponeII on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 5:25 PM

I have photos of an earlier design with literally a Bell 47G bubble canopy.  I'll try and check and find which of my reference books has the photo.  It is definitely NOT the version shown below made famous in the From the Earth to the Moon series.

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