Reference help needed.

There's lotsa references out there.   Here's some pic's I used for my LEM build:

http://history.nasa.gov/ap11ann/kippsphotos/apollo.html

If you scroll all the way to the bottom, there is a "click here for more images" button.

Should suffice for a 10 year old's classroom project unless your looking for some "super-detailed" build or something.

Cool kid, good luck with your mutual project!

Chris

Actually, easier yet, use the instructions from the Revell kit, which was based on Apollo 11 (for the LEM)

http://manuals.hobbico.com/rmx/85-5087.pdf

It's reasonably accurate for the your project unless, again, you're looking to "super-detail" a historical model.   For a 10 year old's classroom project, it should more than suffice.

Chris

Thx.

Those will be more than sufficient, the model is there to show the LEM and Command module interacted.

Kit itself is not very detailed and basic(designed to hold a motor and fly on a string as an option)

Thx again.

You can use gold wrapping paper for the gold foil, but it has to be the bright, reflective stuff, not dull . (I think you know what I mean.) This will be more realistic than just brass paint, which over time looks too dark as it ages. 

                                                                                         ~ Cobra Chris

Using foil looks really nice.   I applied the foil in my Revell kit using 2 sided tape.   Worked like a champ!  Chris

Something else that is great for the gold mylar portions of the LM is the gold foil from the large chocolate bars.  I have a piece of mylar used for the LMs and at this scale, the foil works better.  A big plus is that your son will enjoy eating the inside so he can use the foil : )  It is great that you are doing this with him.  He will remember this.

Buck

THX, for all the replies.

The kit comes with a large sheet of gold-foil. Figure it should be enough to cover the bottom of the Command Module too. If not I will take your suggestions.

Just a sheet of foil, no patterns, etc. Hence why the Revell Instructions will come in handy.

Busy covering all the holes for the motor switch, etc at the moment.

One last site I forgot to mention:

http://www.apollosaturn.com/frame-mod.htm

Buck

Hey guys it is me again.

Got the lander done and the moon base. Still working on the 2nd base(this will hold the section for the lander and the CM/SM attached to the top.

Got the Command Module(crew is inside) and Service Module assembled(SM internals are painted too) .

Still confused about painting those externally.

For the CM I see pics that seem to make it metallic(silver), or White or Black and White/Silver(split in half).

Similar for the SM, my reference(kit instructions) say it is silver with some white rectangular areas.

Anyone got some diagrams for the SM & CM for Apollo 11 or Apollo 13?

Also a related question. Kit calls for the Visors of the crew on the moon-base to be silver, but all kits I have done so far called for gold.

Sorry, to be a nuisance.

FSM's 'Great Scale Modeling 2008' Has the Lunar module in a large picture modeled. It is under 'Western Canadian Regional Model Contest' section. The photo is 1/2 a page & would be a excellent reference for your project.

Thx , but I don't have access to that reference.

 FYI, also not on the american continent, so FSM is hard to get for us.

Luna Module is finished, looking for help on Command and Service Module now.

I will post a picture of that page here on this thread for you then.

I hope its OK with FSM's administration. Please delete or contact me if it is not.

*Picture for modeler's reference only.

FSM 'Great Scale Modeling 2008' page 32. 'Western Canadian Regional Model Contest 2007' Model by Bob Read

Thx. Image links are allowed.

Helps a lot. Way more detailed than the kit I am doing, don't even have the thruster deflectors on the LM.

Said that images of those sections at launch appear to be white  or I am just a  total dimwit.

If my account id deleted and I am banished from the forums forever you will know what happened....

I hope this picture helps you with your project.

Jason S.

Thx , for the help.

Doubt they will remove your account.

If they do I ask for mine to be removed too.  ;)

I was kidding, I am sure they will just ask to remove the picture. Besides even if you ordered the back issue by the time it reached you the school project for your son will be long over.

This way you have the reference picture today without fancy link thingys that I don't understand as my computer kung-fu is weak.

Again thx.

I got my needed glimpse and can work from there. So image can be removed  now.

Next time PM will work too. ;)

Your confusion on the CSM is coming from there being 2 different versions of the spacecraft.  The original, Block 1, was intended for earth orbit operations only.  This is why you see a white spacecraft and when you see pictures of Apollo 1, that is the vehicle you will see.  This spacecraft was not capable from weight and a number of other constraints to make it to the moon.  One of the constraints is that it was not ready from a technical stand point either and that in turn resulted in the pad fire that killed astronauts Grissom, White, and Chaffee.

The Block 2 model was intended for the moon and had a large number of changes made to it after the Apollo 1 fire.  The Block 2 was subsequently used for earth orbit testing as well.  The Block 1 was originally used because Block 2 was behind schedule.

The CM has a reflective finish that you can see in photos from the LM after separation from the CSM around the moon.  You will also notice the "stripes".  These are from the top layer being applied in pieces which are silver in color.  You may see photos of the CM after splash down and the color may look gold.  That is a result of the heating from reentry.  During flight, it is silver in color.  I have used Bare Metal foil for this look.  It is available in hobby stores or on line.  It is a lot of work but looks great.  The other option is to use silver paint.

As far as the LM, that is even more complicated.  The LM was an evolving vehicle and each mission's LM looked different from the prior one.  You will notice from Apollo 9 to 10 to 11 the distribution of gold and black on the descent module is significantly different.  When I was a kid, it used to drive me crazy because I thought I was misinterpreting the information I had and I would refinish my models.  Finally, an engineer from Grumman Aerospace  explained to me that they are in fact different and that I was correct each time I refinished the model.  Bottom line, pick one mission and paint to that mission.

Also, the blast deflectors were added after Apollo 9 when the engineers saw the heating effects of the RCS thrusters on the descent stage.  The are easy to make from cardboard painted flat black. Use a large paper clip to make the mounting bracket.

It can get frustrating but it is very cool as well.  If you think about it, humans have not been able to get back to the moon for over 30 years.  To our kids, the moon landings are as real as WWII is to many of us...something they read about in their history text books.

Keep plugging with the models and remember to check the references we have provided on here.

Buck