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It's back..! Wheathering: from washes to pastels - domi's way! -

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Posted by djmodels1999 on Monday, March 8, 2004 8:44 AM
Juan, unless you want a very dirty plane, like one that's left rusting away on the airfield, I would advise you not to...

For planes, I use a very fine brush and thinned oil paints to add some darker paint into recesses and panel lines. I work little areas at the time, and use Q-tips or a flat brush to drag some of that paint away, to represent leaks and other stains in 'strategic' areas. But you've got to be very delicate.

Here's one I did using this technique...



After the 'wash' I used a light grey to drybrush the airplane, particularly around the flying surfaces but also all around.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 8, 2004 8:25 AM
can you do the same or use the same technique with planes if is so that 's a hell of a good and easy technique thanks for the unfo.
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Monday, March 8, 2004 1:16 AM
Buff, practice is the key. If you have an old pre-painted AFV kit, practice on it.
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Posted by buff on Sunday, March 7, 2004 1:39 PM
Thanks again, Domi. I was using a much weaker wash, so next time I'll be able to sort that out. I think for the drybrushing it was a case of too much paint, too much pressure and too stiff a brush. I tried to add some rust spots and had pretty much the same problem. They were far too big and dark. Until I tried it (and this was the first time I attempted weathering a kit), I didn't really understand just how subtle the process is, how little paint is actually needed, and how soft a touch on the brush is required. It has been a real learning experience. At least I didn't pay for the kit!

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Posted by djmodels1999 on Friday, March 5, 2004 2:06 AM
Buff,

CA glue is cyanoacrylate glue, aka superglue. It's very strong obviously, but only in a linear way. If you try to break the joint sideways, CA glue bond is then very weak, and I can therefore break the tubing off the turret and hull without any major problem. However, don't go crazy with the CA glue. A drop is more than enough. In fact, too much CA glue tend to take a long time to set which can be annoying!

As to the hard lines, you may just be using too weak of a mix. I use about 2 drops of dishwadshing liquid and 3-4 drops of vinegar for a shot glass of water, to which I add a pea-sized amount of paint...

I do my drybrushing with oils as soon as my wash is dry (I have little patience!). However, I'm also very gentle and se a very soft flat brush so that I'm not going through the base enamel paints I used on the vehicle camouflage. If you use acrylics as base, no problem. But enamels and oils are more dangerous a mix! However, if you do have patience, wait to make sure your base coats are fully dried before going onto the weathering with oils.

If you are very gentle and delicate, the oils that you are drybrushing will tend to appear only onto sharp edges and raised details. On large flat areas, it is good to have a bit of 'forced' definition with a bit of lighter paint in the middle of the panel. But only try to acheive this after you have done the raised bits and you are sure there's really just about no paint left in your brush! If you start there first, you'll end up with a contrast that's too strong. When I do weathering on a 1/72 AFV kit, I normally only have to dip my soft flat brush once in the oil paint. I then proceed to remove the excess in a rag then start drybrushing onto the bottom part of the hull (to test) then move onto the wheels (cause if there's still too much paint, the wheels will look the worst after dusting anyway), then slowly move onto the main, sharper, edges of the hull and turret, moving onto the smaller raised details and finaly onto the middle of the flat panels (if needed).
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Posted by buff on Thursday, March 4, 2004 8:03 PM
Thanks, Domi. If you don't mind, I'd like to bend your ear again, First, what is CA glue? I've never heard of it before. Second, when my washes dry, I'm still getting very noticeable lines. I use artists' water colors, one drop of dish soap, and a few drops of vinegar. I've thinned out the wash some, and gone from 2-3 drops of vinegar to 4-5 in 125ml of water, but it hasn't helped. Finally, about drybrushing. Do I have to wait for each coat to dry, or not? In the early coats should I see any paint on the flat surfaces at all, eg between the rivets on a riveted turret, or should it just appear on the raised detail and sharp edges? Thanks again for your help and patience

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Posted by djmodels1999 on Monday, March 1, 2004 1:55 AM
Buff, those 'handles' are just some evergreen plastic tubing... I attach them to the hull and turret with CA glue, as it will snap clean off when I'm ready to put the model onto its base. Liquid glue would make the joint more 'intimate' and might damage the plastic kit when I remove the tubing.

And to glue turret onto hull, I only use Wood glue. It's strong enough to resist vibrations during transport and weak enough to allow for removal of the turret and re-placing.
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Posted by buff on Wednesday, February 25, 2004 7:05 AM
Can anyone else help me out on this one? What is a good way of holding or otherwise securing the hull and/or turret while they're being painted? Thanks in advance.

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Posted by buff on Sunday, February 22, 2004 5:03 PM
Domi,
What are the handles you used to hold the models while painting made of? And how to you attach them to the kit? Thanks again.

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Posted by fightnjoe on Sunday, February 22, 2004 1:06 PM
i agree with the earlier comment on how this should be a "sticky" read it when i first joined but took my time today and really found it informative. i am looking for a weathering angle for my a/c. look forward to seeing that one, unless i have missed that one too.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 22, 2004 11:47 AM
Great guide for noobs like me.
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Posted by nmayhew on Friday, February 20, 2004 12:57 PM
...just to keep this bumped to the top...such a great article and people seem to be asking the same questions over and over..here you go guys...
regards,
nick
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 2, 2004 8:28 AM
thanks for the tips DomiBow [bow]Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by KJ200 on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:22 AM
DJ, yeah it is the Academy kit.

Excellent kit, with loads of detail, and of course the recovery tractor thrown in. The tractor itself is an excellent little model which just begs to be part of a diorama with the Komet. Just need to build a base and get some figures.

I'm still not convinced on the larger scales, partly on size constraints, but also because I get bored quickly, so have a better chance of finishing braille scale kits.

Once again thanks for the tips.

Karl
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 1:49 AM
Karl, small scales do have some power... By the way is that the Academy Komet you're building??? How is it?
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Posted by KJ200 on Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:11 AM
Wow!!!!!!!Bow [bow]

I'm not worthy!

I'm currently painting the recovery tractor for my braille scale Me163, and have used some of the techniques you mentiond, but I would never have thought of adding vinegar to prevent hard lines forming.

It's no good, I feel a braille scale armour diorama coming on!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks

KarlBig Smile [:D]

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Posted by nmayhew on Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:27 AM
thanks for your help djSmile [:)]
regards,
nick
Kind regards, Nicholas
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:31 AM
Contacted Ron, but got no reply. Did not want to upload the pics - again - without his Go-ahead...

I'll try again. Sorry for the inconvenience..!

Domi
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Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:01 AM
Just seen this thread today. Thank you for the tips, DJ. Learned a lot today.

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Posted by Buddho on Monday, January 19, 2004 8:06 PM
Very detailed and desciptive post...Domi
I am going to have to try this too. I had some of the problems you mentioned like hard demarcation lines with acrylic washes. I did'nt realize vinegar would do the trick...and oils for drybrushing...I will have to work on.

Thanks, Dan

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Posted by nmayhew on Monday, January 19, 2004 10:37 AM
hi again djmodels1999,Smile [:)]
have you had any luck re-linking those pics? sorry to be a pain, but i'm realy keen to see those pics again.Cool [8D]Cool [8D]Cool [8D]
cheers,
nick
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Posted by maddafinga on Monday, January 12, 2004 8:20 AM
Next time you're there, look at all the W&N paints. They make acrylics, watercolors, artist oils and water soluable artists oils. The tubes mostly look alike though, so you'll have to look carefully to get what you want.
Madda Trifles make perfection, but perfection is no trifle. -- Leonardo Da Vinci Tact is for those who lack the wit for sarcasm.--maddafinga
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 12, 2004 1:10 AM
Thanks Domi and Madda.....
The ones I picked up are actually "Artist Oils" and not the Acrylics that I saw on the next rack over
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Posted by maddafinga on Sunday, January 11, 2004 8:40 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by HistoryinScale

Domi, for Winsor&Newton oils, what type of thinner do I need for making the wash? I know Im over looking this, as Im sure you posted it but I have picked up some Winsor Newton Tubes, and dont know what "thinner" to get.

Should I buy a jug of turpentine? Or would generic Mineral Spirits work fine? I tried asking a girl at Hobby Lobby and all I got was a blank stare....Some folks are so helpful! LOL
Thanks!


Hey Chris, I've been picking up the Windsor & Newton water soluable oils lately after picking one up by accident and they're better than regular oils to my mind. I paint with enamels, so if you're on acrylics, you might want to use the regular oils and mineral spirits. These water soluable are not regular water colors, the carrier is a modified linseed oil, and you can thin them down with water. I've been adding a bit of dish soap and thanks to Domi, a bit of vinegar as well. They don't take too long to dry, are easy to clean up and blend and think down just like regular oils. You might look into a tube or two of these and give them a shot. They're not really expensive, at 4 or 5 bucks a tube, and if you like them, they'd be invauleable. I personally love them and finally feel good about putting washes on.
Madda Trifles make perfection, but perfection is no trifle. -- Leonardo Da Vinci Tact is for those who lack the wit for sarcasm.--maddafinga
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Sunday, January 11, 2004 5:00 PM
Chris, if they are truly artist oils, mineral spirit will work fine. Turpentine too, but it's 'greasier' and may take a bit longer to dry (oils will in any case take some time to dry.. a wash will take about a full day, two maybe to dry - I think it depends on humidity -)

I'm saying 'tryly' because those same kind of tubes are also used for artist acrylics and watercolors. So make sure that what you want is what you get.

Also, for a wash with oils, better work with Acrylics as base colours. No risk of reaction then. If you have enamel as base, then let it dry for a good 10 days.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 11, 2004 2:56 PM
Domi, for Winsor&Newton oils, what type of thinner do I need for making the wash? I know Im over looking this, as Im sure you posted it but I have picked up some Winsor Newton Tubes, and dont know what "thinner" to get.

Should I buy a jug of turpentine? Or would generic Mineral Spirits work fine? I tried asking a girl at Hobby Lobby and all I got was a blank stare....Some folks are so helpful! LOL
Thanks!
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Sunday, January 11, 2004 3:58 AM
Nick, You grew up in the 'posher' part of Kent..! Chatham is fine, not the nicest town in the world (although I've seen worse, even in Kent, LOL) but it's practical, being half-way between London and the Channel ports.

The pics seem to have disappeared from Ron's gallery. I e-mailed him to ask about them. Maybe there's too many of them? If he can not host them anymore, I'll upload them onto my site.. Wait and see!
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Posted by nmayhew on Saturday, January 10, 2004 5:20 PM
thanks djSmile [:)],
how's life in chatham by the way? i grew up in kent...school in tonbridge...many happy memories!!Smile [:)]Smile [:)]Smile [:)]
regards,
nick
Kind regards, Nicholas
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Saturday, January 10, 2004 2:47 PM
Nick, I guess Ron must have moved the pics to another gallery. The upload gallery is only a temporary one..! I'll re-link them tomorrow or Monday when I have more free time.

Thanks for your interest!

Domi
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